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Old May 19th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #3881
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Old May 19th, 2012, 12:07 AM   #3882
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Old May 19th, 2012, 12:09 AM   #3883
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But why post it when it's not processed yet?

I did see part 1 (in Romania) though, very nice, I have high hopes for part 2
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Old May 19th, 2012, 12:48 AM   #3884
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From what I could understand, the main reason for the accident is unsafe u-turn.
And injured people weren't at work, at the time of the accident they were sitting passengers in the van.
On the completed highway there is no possibility for u - turn because the guard rail exist, and there is no workers in central reserve, in the vans, in the trucks... The van belongs to construction company Inter Kop and workers in the van were not passing there, they were arriving to the construction site from opposite direction. Driver was waited in emergency lane to pass all vehicles and after that he tried to turn left in opposite direction through median opening where guard rail is missing. He had a bad estimate and accident was happened. So the main reason for accident is uncompleted highway which is opened for traffic.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 01:51 AM   #3885
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No, the main reason for the accident is the illegal driving operation one person initiated. The missing guard rail didn't kill anybody, there was not an accident on one side which the missing guard rail allowed to spill onto the other track and lead to more injuries.

This is exactly the same situation again, like with the guy who thinks all city streets and lanes should be enclosed with concrete crash-barriers on both sides, because otherwise the streets are unsafe if some driver could leave his lane, that would of course be the fault of the unsafely built street for not having a wall on each side, and not the driver who can't drive. What's next, put wheels on the sides of the vehicles so the vehicle can be guided with the two guard rails that should be mandatory on each side of every lane, because we can't trust drivers to drive the legal way?
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Old May 19th, 2012, 02:53 AM   #3886
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Prema rečima očevidaca, do udesa je došlo kada je kombi, iz zaustavne trake naglo skrenuo ulevo, pokušavši da napravi polukružno okretanje tako što će preći dve trake.

U tom trenutku na kombi je naletela „škoda oktavija".

Kombi je pokušao da napravi polukružno na delu puta na kojem nema bankine.

Verovatno nije primetio da se iza njega nalazi automobil pre nego što je počeo da skreće.

Vozač „oktavije" nije imao vremena da ukoči ili izbegne sudar.
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According to eyewitnesses, the accident occurred when a van, in the emergency lane suddenly turned left, trying to make a U turn by crossing two lanes.

At this point, the van was hit by "Skoda Octavia".

The van was trying to make a U-turn on a stretch of the road without shoulder.

He probably did not notice that the car is behind him before he began to turn.

The driver of "Skoda Octavia" did not have time to avoid a crash or to stop.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #3887
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Good work! Btw Mostar sign in Belgrade? Isn't it Mostar in Bosnia?
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Old May 19th, 2012, 06:23 AM   #3888
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Good work! Btw Mostar sign in Belgrade? Isn't it Mostar in Bosnia?
Mostar interchange or colloquially Mostar.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 06:29 AM   #3889
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No, the main reason for the accident is the illegal driving operation one person initiated. The missing guard rail didn't kill anybody, there was not an accident on one side which the missing guard rail allowed to spill onto the other track and lead to more injuries.

This is exactly the same situation again, like with the guy who thinks all city streets and lanes should be enclosed with concrete crash-barriers on both sides, because otherwise the streets are unsafe if some driver could leave his lane, that would of course be the fault of the unsafely built street for not having a wall on each side, and not the driver who can't drive. What's next, put wheels on the sides of the vehicles so the vehicle can be guided with the two guard rails that should be mandatory on each side of every lane, because we can't trust drivers to drive the legal way?
I do want express my opinion,and listen to what others have to say about some issue,and try to find what we disagree at,and come up with a solution.But obviously,you think that who ever has different opinion,he must be wrong,that's not how it should work.I agree with most of the what you said,but my main concerne is safety,why would I trust anyone,or belive there is going to be perfect road and weather condition on roads at all time,so nothing can happend?I never said we should have medians at all roads and streets.I spend all day in car ,driving around ,mostly highways,this is what I do for living,and I've seen lot of shit here,so whenever there is a barrier I feel much safer.And if I was the one making decision,I would rather be stucked in trafic for few months more,rather than have unsafe road,with people still working on it.It might help watching video below,to see how road works should be conducted.
http://youtu.be/vow4UHN-Vt4
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Old May 19th, 2012, 09:05 AM   #3890
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Mostar interchange or colloquially Mostar.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 09:35 AM   #3891
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Good work! Btw Mostar sign in Belgrade? Isn't it Mostar in Bosnia?
no it is in Herzegovina
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Old May 19th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #3892
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Old May 19th, 2012, 01:15 PM   #3893
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No, the main reason for the accident is the illegal driving operation one person initiated. The missing guard rail didn't kill anybody, there was not an accident on one side which the missing guard rail allowed to spill onto the other track and lead to more injuries.

This is exactly the same situation again, like with the guy who thinks all city streets and lanes should be enclosed with concrete crash-barriers on both sides, because otherwise the streets are unsafe if some driver could leave his lane, that would of course be the fault of the unsafely built street for not having a wall on each side, and not the driver who can't drive. What's next, put wheels on the sides of the vehicles so the vehicle can be guided with the two guard rails that should be mandatory on each side of every lane, because we can't trust drivers to drive the legal way?
You obviously think that it is normal to open the highway which is not completed and where workers work without any protection from other participants in traffic. By the way, there is no any kind of signalisation which would warn the drivers to drive slowly. According to traffic signalisation everything is normal on that section like on every other and there is no any restrictions. There is a lot of people here from different countries and I would like to hear someone who also thinks that is normal to drive min 120 km/h in overtaking lane, just 2 m next to the workers who dig the trench in central reserve without guard rail. Yesterday I saw the worker on the overpass on Batajnica junction who lay on the pedestrian lane just next to driving lane and pointed curbs. He had at least 100 kg and his legs were partly in driving lane. I will try to make photos on monday from there to show everyone what it looks like.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #3894
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Interestingly, there are now exit numbers signposted throughout Beograd. It appears the exit numbering begins with 0 or 1 at Dobanovci and increases eastward through Beograd.

I wonder if there are plans to add more exit numbering in Serbia.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 02:34 PM   #3895
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Interestingly, there are now exit numbers signposted throughout Beograd. It appears the exit numbering begins with 0 or 1 at Dobanovci and increases eastward through Beograd.

I wonder if there are plans to add more exit numbering in Serbia.
Probably not,and this are really easy to remember,imagine people in Belgrade must remember 298A West XXX,difficult
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Old May 19th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #3896
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no it is in Herzegovina
By Bosnia he probably meant BiH
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Old May 19th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #3897
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By Bosnia he probably meant BiH
He did, but Bad Hafen got **** about it. He's still right though, it's in Hercegovina, the other part of B&H.

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Old May 19th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #3898
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For most people "Bosnia" is synonymous for "Bosnia and Herzegovina". (much like Holland is synonymous for the Netherlands, even though it's technically incorrect).
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Old May 19th, 2012, 10:59 PM   #3899
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Actually I am pretty sure it's in Belgrade and is a reference to the Mostar junction!
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Old May 20th, 2012, 01:12 AM   #3900
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Ah, Mostar...once center of Yugoslavia's aicraft industry , today just another backwater town in Bosnia and transport hub for Christian zealots heading to Medjunozje
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