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Old July 16th, 2009, 11:30 AM   #401
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Old July 16th, 2009, 11:35 AM   #402
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had some bad experience with their gas, service is usually not that good like in other stations
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Old July 16th, 2009, 11:41 AM   #403
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Or some crappy petrol with addition of water... that's what happens on dodgy gas stations That's why, especially in East, use well known, proper gas stations
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Old July 16th, 2009, 12:23 PM   #404
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Serbian Transit

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many, many thanks. answering my post you already made my holidays more relaxing, even I have not set off !!! especially the alternative entrance to Serbia looks like a must. why is so a huge difference ?

this is more-less what I was expecting - time-consuming border crossing issues. it is a pity Serbia is not in EU, not because of my personal transit issue, but simply it deserves on it (if other, new countries are in, why not Serbia ?). the geoposition of that country makes it perfect hub for whole EU transport in SE Europe.

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how about Zaječar border crossing ? also overloaded ?

by the way: I am not forced to go via Zaječar. my target is Bulgaria, I am going to drive around the country to end up sooner or later in Sozopol (near Burgas). based on that can you recommend the most hassle-free transit route via Serbia. I mean as little potholes as possible (baby inside + low profile tyres), and no endless hours spent at borders praying for better tomorrow
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Old July 16th, 2009, 12:42 PM   #405
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many, many thanks. answering my post you already made my holidays more relaxing, even I have not set off !!! especially the alternative entrance to Serbia looks like a must. why is so a huge difference ?
Well, Röszke/Horgoš is a border crossing is pretty huge but it is on highway Budapest-Belgrade, Tompa/Kelebija is a local border crossing which is not that used and it s a secret tipp for everyone wanting to enter serbia outside of touristic season.


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how about Zaječar border crossing ? also overloaded ?
Zaječar isnt that overloaded, is a "normal" crossing, not on a top transit route.

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by the way: I am not forced to go via Zaječar. my target is Bulgaria, I am going to drive around the country to end up sooner or later in Sozopol (near Burgas). based on that can you recommend the most hassle-free transit route via Serbia. I mean as little potholes as possible (baby inside + low profile tyres), and no endless hours spent at borders praying for better tomorrow
Well, if you want a good asphalt and no potholes than you have to go the route Belgrade-Niš-Dimitrovgrad. Belgrade-Niš is a highway, and Niš-Dimitrovgrad is a local road but in pretty good condition (reconstructed few years ago). But there is a minus - a lot of traffic and border-crossing where you have to wait up to hour.

And one thing, if u want to drive, look to enter serbia between tuesday and thursday because on weekend during the summer there are A LOT of cars from western europe driving to south.
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Old July 16th, 2009, 01:40 PM   #406
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Or some crappy petrol with addition of water... that's what happens on dodgy gas stations That's why, especially in East, use well known, proper gas stations
BS well known gas stations are also franchise.
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Old July 16th, 2009, 01:43 PM   #407
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Well, if you want a good asphalt and no potholes than you have to go the route Belgrade-Niš-Dimitrovgrad. Belgrade-Niš is a highway, and Niš-Dimitrovgrad is a local road but in pretty good condition (reconstructed few years ago). But there is a minus - a lot of traffic and border-crossing where you have to wait up to hour.
what would be the time distance if I took a Belgrade-Niš-Dimitrovgrad route ?

and once I cross the border shall I face an EU standard road (to Sofia) or our Eastern Europe reality ?
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Well, Röszke/Horgoš is a border crossing is pretty huge but it is on highway Budapest-Belgrade, Tompa/Kelebija is a local border crossing which is not that used and it s a secret tipp for everyone wanting to enter serbia outside of touristic season.




Zaječar isnt that overloaded, is a "normal" crossing, not on a top transit route.



Well, if you want a good asphalt and no potholes than you have to go the route Belgrade-Niš-Dimitrovgrad. Belgrade-Niš is a highway, and Niš-Dimitrovgrad is a local road but in pretty good condition (reconstructed few years ago). But there is a minus - a lot of traffic and border-crossing where you have to wait up to hour.

And one thing, if u want to drive, look to enter serbia between tuesday and thursday because on weekend during the summer there are A LOT of cars from western europe driving to south.
How do you know that he will have to wait up to 6 hours on the border?
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and once I cross the border shall I face an EU standard road (to Sofia) or our Eastern Europe reality ?
you should ask this in Bulgarina section i think they know. But i am sure the road is better on that route than Zajecar route.
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Old July 16th, 2009, 02:05 PM   #410
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you should ask this in Bulgarina section i think they know. But i am sure the road is better on that route than Zajecar route.
alright,

and time distance: Belgrade-Niš-Dimitrovgrad ?
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Old July 16th, 2009, 03:09 PM   #411
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and once I cross the border shall I face an EU standard road (to Sofia) or our Eastern Europe reality ?
Where do you wanna go to in Bulgaria ?

From the border to Sofia, the road was reconstructed 1-2 years ago, more than half of it is a 2x2 highway. For info about the condition of roads when you reach Sofia, you have to tell me what your direction will be after that.
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Old July 16th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #412
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How do you know that he will have to wait up to 6 hours on the border?
There were a lot newspaper reports about waves on weekend where u had to wait 5-6 hrs to enter the country, it s normal for this time of year... Last year i needed 4 hours to enter Serbia on Horgoš at 3 a.m. (!!). Or you can read it on http://www.amss.org.rs/ (today you have to wait up to 1h30), but on weekends 5-6hrs...)

@NIS and gas quality, if u ask here everyone if they d preffer NIS or OMV answer d be clear.... especially the service of NIS gas stations is crappy.. unfortunately
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I don´t understand that i travel a lot trough Croatian and Slovenia and sometimes there can be jam, but not like this. Why is that?
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Where do you wanna go to in Bulgaria ?

From the border to Sofia, the road was reconstructed 1-2 years ago, more than half of it is a 2x2 highway. For info about the condition of roads when you reach Sofia, you have to tell me what your direction will be after that.
no particular plan. some must-see places (Veliko Tarnovo, Melnik, Belogradchik,Plovdiv, Black sea coast, some other places) you see I had been living in Bulgaria 10 years ago for a while, and now it is a time for deja-vu. the only concern is my 3 year old kid, who seems not to understand a new deal in Europe (some countries with no borders, others with border hassles).

the most important thing is get from Hungary to Bulgaria within one day and end it up with nice place on Bulgarian side - that is way Belogradchik was on my mind ...

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sh*t, one picture tell more than 1000 words. oh, no, not for me.
no wait, maybe sea is 50 meters away from that border ... then fine with me
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no particular plan. some must-see places (Veliko Tarnovo, Melnik, Belogradchik,Plovdiv, Black sea coast, some other places) you see I had been living in Bulgaria 10 years ago for a while, and now it is a time for deja-vu. the only concern is my 3 year old kid, who seems not to understand a new deal in Europe (some countries with no borders, others with border hassles).

the most important thing is get from Hungary to Bulgaria within one day and end it up with nice place on Bulgarian side - that is way Belogradchik was on my mind ...
I will reply to you in details in the Buglarian motorways thread -> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...73858&page=108
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Old July 16th, 2009, 08:37 PM   #417
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I remember it from last year, wasn't that bad in comparsion with Turkish - Bulgarian - 18 hours waiting in a queue
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I remember it from last year, wasn't that bad in comparsion with Turkish - Bulgarian - 18 hours waiting in a queue
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I'll be crossing this border next week most likely not in the weekend... Is it like this at ALL times or not. If not, what times are the quietest? What time do you think I should cross?
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I'll be crossing this border next week most likely not in the weekend... Is it like this at ALL times or not. If not, what times are the quietest? What time do you think I should cross?
Every time except weekends is quiet. Weekends are a traveller's hell on the route Wien - Budapest - Szeged - Novi sad - Beograd - Nis - Sofia - Plovdiv- Edirne - istanbul, because the Turkish gastarbeiters are taking their holidays in their homeland. They do not travel by any other means than by car.
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