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Old August 8th, 2013, 12:50 AM   #4901
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That is about right.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #4902
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Considering its area size & population, Romania should better compare itself against all of former Yugoslavia...my estimate is about ~2,500-2,700 of built motorways, some 600km currently U/C and about 1,500-2,000km planned in the near future:

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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #4903
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That is about right.
Considering Chris takes care of the statistics, I am not surprised
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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:28 AM   #4904
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the Dutch road wiki (click) gives 646 kms on 31 dec. last year.
According to Google Maps:
E-75 HU border-Novi Sad: 109 km
E-75 Novi Sad-Belgrade bypass: 64 km
E-75 finished part of Belgrade bypass: 8 km
E-75 Begrade bypass (Dobanovci interchange)-Grabovnica: 302 km
E-70 HR border-Belgrade bypass: 96 km
E-80 near Niš: 18 km

Total: 597 km

Some 20 km near Macedonian border are officially finished, but not in reality. Partially finished expressway from Kragujevac to E-75 is not a freeway and should not be counted.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:13 AM   #4905
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Even 2 years ago there were 610kms of toll motorways so I don't think there is a reason to doubt the number of 646kms
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:21 AM   #4906
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Measure them yourself. 597 km includes non-tolled motorways near and in Belgrade and Niš, there's no way there's 610 km of tolled ones.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:24 AM   #4907
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I do hope that you're not actually using GMaps to also locate the highways. Because I think my grandma would be earlier in realizing that a highway somewhere in Europe had been opened. Maps takes ages before showing those, and even longer before you can calculate routes over those roads.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:34 AM   #4908
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All Serbian motorways on Google Maps are up-to-date, I've drown some of them myself. It's more likely the numbers are artificially inflated by politicians.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:36 AM   #4909
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http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Tema-...i-adut.sr.html it says 610kms under toll
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:41 AM   #4910
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You have faith in Serbian journalists writing about motorways? Singi, I haven't thought you being so naive.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:52 AM   #4911
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I am sure Chris invested more than a few secs in this. I've just measured on Google Maps, and I've gotten over 610kms, then I've stopped measuring. And all this without counting the 60kms outside Putevi Srbije control in Kosovo with which you would get the earlier mentioned 700kms.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:58 AM   #4912
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I'm sure Chris will give an answer in a couple hours. It's 2 AM here so he's probably sleeping right now
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Old August 8th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #4913
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This is how I counted 597 km in Serbia without Kosovo:

blue E-75 HU border-Novi Sad: 109 km
light blue E-75 Novi Sad-Belgrade bypass: 64 km
purple E-75 finished part of Belgrade bypass: 8 km
red E-75 Begrade bypass (Dobanovci interchange)-Grabovnica: 302 km
yellow E-70 HR border-Belgrade bypass: 96 km
pink E-80 near Niš: 18 km

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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:21 AM   #4914
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Considering its area size & population, Romania should better compare itself against all of former Yugoslavia...my estimate is about ~2,500-2,700 of built motorways, some 600km currently U/C and about 1,500-2,000km planned in the near future:
Well, yes, the same goes for Poland, both had a poor network legacy. But both Romania and Poland are coming fast from behind in terms of motorway construction speed. Yet, you are right, 2.500 km is about the decent motorway netowork Romania should have.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:51 AM   #4915
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According to Google Maps:
E-75 HU border-Novi Sad: 109 km
E-75 Novi Sad-Belgrade bypass: 64 km
E-75 finished part of Belgrade bypass: 8 km
E-75 Begrade bypass (Dobanovci interchange)-Grabovnica: 302 km
E-70 HR border-Belgrade bypass: 96 km
E-80 near Niš: 18 km

Total: 597 km

Some 20 km near Macedonian border are officially finished, but not in reality. Partially finished expressway from Kragujevac to E-75 is not a freeway and should not be counted.

According to ASECAP, of which Serbia is a member, the motorway lenght is 603 km.

http://www.asecap.com/francais/pubinf-statcomp-fr.html
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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #4916
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Is there any international (OMV, MOL) and frequent petrol station (lot of cars, people, etc.) with roadside rest area southbound Aleksinac? Thanks.
in direction to Nis, after Nis toll station you have Gazprom petrol station on both sides of highway. OMV and MOL stations are present in city of Nis.

You can chack here
http://www.molserbia.rs/sr/mol_u_srb...reza_u_srbiji/

http://www.omv.co.rs/portal/01/rs/om...0K5K2OT0000000

http://www.ekoserbia.com/Map.aspx?lan=1
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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #4917
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This is how I counted 597 km in Serbia without Kosovo:

blue E-75 HU border-Novi Sad: 109 km
light blue E-75 Novi Sad-Belgrade bypass: 64 km
purple E-75 finished part of Belgrade bypass: 8 km
red E-75 Begrade bypass (Dobanovci interchange)-Grabovnica: 302 km
yellow E-70 HR border-Belgrade bypass: 96 km
pink E-80 near Niš: 18 km
http://fotkica.com/imgs3/1_98280305_Untitled-1.jpg
from http://www.putevi-srbije.rs/index.ph...=en&Itemid=446 , old info but official

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On the network there are:

- 498 km of toll motorways and
- 136 km of toll semi-motorways
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:41 PM   #4918
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Serbian road infrastructure officials are known to lie, those numbers could be inflated for political reasons. They said Preševo-Levosoje section of E-75 was opened two years ago and it's still not in function. Until I see a breakdown of those official numbers I'll trust my own measurement. And you see it's not much different that ASECAP's.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #4919
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Serbian road infrastructure officials are known to lie, those numbers could be inflated for political reasons. They said Preševo-Levosoje section of E-75 was opened two years ago and it's still not in function. Until I see a breakdown of those official numbers I'll trust my own measurement. And you see it's not much different that ASECAP's.
Yup, you are right for Preševo-Levosoje and putevi srbije. I found
more details from rapp.gov.rs, but with few corrections from koridor10.rs, they are closer to your numbers and almost the same with ASECAP's .

E-75 HU border- Belgrade bypass(Batajnica):176 km (0+000 - 176+000)

E-75 finished part of Belgrade bypass: 8 km

E-75 Begrade bypass (Dobanovci interchange)-Grabovnica: 306 km
Dobanovci - Bubanj potok 37 km (562+400* - 599+000)
Bubanj potok - Trupale 213 km (599+000 - 812+000)
Trupale - Grabovnica 56 km (812+000 - 868+166)

E-70 HR border-Belgrade bypass(Dobanovci): 95 km (468+600 - 563+900*)

E-80 Niš - Dimitrovgrad: 19 km
Trupale - Prosek 18 km (812+000(0+000) - 18+000)
End of Dimitrovgrad bypass -border crossing Gradina 1km

*interchange difference in alignments

All together Serbian network app. 604 km. *08.08.2013.

It's announced that Preševo-Levosoje (21km) will be finished till 15 of august this year.

Diffrence with data from putevi srbije is maybe because of road to Novi Sad (Batajnica - Zemun-T6) 14km, BG-Pančevo and BG bypass.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #4920
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Diffrence with data from putevi srbije is maybe because of road to Novi Sad (Batajnica - Zemun-T6) 14km, BG-Pančevo and BG bypass.
Typical, streets with traffic-light crossroads and 3-lane roads counted as motorways.
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