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Old December 17th, 2014, 12:47 PM   #5741
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To spread their influence and hopefully earn a bit of money.
And promote their HSR technology.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 01:11 PM   #5742
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The HSR would be 300 km/h fast? Are the plans to conenct these kind of railway with Skopje, Sofia and Athens?
Anything between 160 and 350 was mentioned. I think we won't know until the study is finished. Doing 200kmh would mean 1h45m, and 300kmh would mean 1h10m. Those 30 minutes are not that significant and the cost difference between 200 and 300 could be major.

And yes the idea of China is to connect to the port of Piraeus.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 01:12 PM   #5743
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And yes the idea of China is to connect to the port of Piraeus.
Why not Thessaloniki? It's closer.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #5744
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Probably Greece doesn't want hundreds of huge Chinese cargo ships passing by its island resorts even risking some ecological disaster. Also ships are much slower than trains so they will stop at the first place where there is a major port with a good rail connection. The missing part of good railways between Piraeus and the west is what they're trying to solve here.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 04:42 PM   #5745
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Anything between 160 and 350 was mentioned. I think we won't know until the study is finished. Doing 200kmh would mean 1h45m, and 300kmh would mean 1h10m. Those 30 minutes are not that significant and the cost difference between 200 and 300 could be major.

And yes the idea of China is to connect to the port of Piraeus.
Oh, 160/200 is quite possible. I would even say that it's compulsory.
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Probably Greece doesn't want hundreds of huge Chinese cargo ships passing by its island resorts even risking some ecological disaster. Also ships are much slower than trains so they will stop at the first place where there is a major port with a good rail connection. The missing part of good railways between Piraeus and the west is what they're trying to solve here.
Hmm, but shipping costs far less than rail transport....
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Old December 17th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #5746
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Not if you own half of the railway
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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #5747
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VUCIC, PONTA: TIMISOARA-BELGRADE MOTORWAY POSES PRIORITY

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According to Tanjug agency, Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic began a series of bilateral meetings held as part of the Third Meeting of Heads of Government of China and Central and Eastern European Countries with a meeting with Chinese Minister of Commerce Gao Hucheng.

Tuesday morning.Serbia's Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic and his Romanian counterpart Victor Ponta discussed economic cooperation on Tuesday and stressed the need for more work on the motorway between Temisoara and Belgrade, an important joint infrastructure project by the two countries.

A feasibility study and finding a way to fund the project are the first steps the two sides will take, the two officials agreed, according to a statement from the Serbian government office for media relations.

They also discussed the possibility of cooperation on the trans-Balkan corridor between Pancevo and Resita, which would improve exchange of electricity and the transmission system, connect Serbia and Romania with Europe and ensure energy stability for the two nations.

The two prime ministers discussed also the possibility of constructing a natural gas corridor.

http://actmedia.eu/daily/vucic-ponta...priority/55665
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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #5748
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Agreemenent concerning construction of Belgrade's motorway bypass with China's Sinohydro was signed today:



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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:23 PM   #5749
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After having reached a deal in Montenegro, it seems that Chinese are now interested in buying out Azerbaian's (AzVirt) share of Corridor 11 (Belgrade-Bar motorway) which would put the entire motorway project under their control.

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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #5750
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #5751
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Don't forget the Montenegroxi, after that loan comes to payment there won't be any other option

But yeah as Orban said, if the EU is "tired" it doesn't mean we have to come to a halt, there are those who aren't tired.

As for the motorway to Timisoara, I guess it is important but I am not sure that the route via Vrsac is the busiest, I think the route via Zrenjanin would be more useful. Out of imaginary routes also I don't think it's that primary, the Krusevac-Kraljevo-Cacak connection would be the first IMO, the second would be Ruma-Sabac Loznica and only then the Banat corridor. Politics permitted Nis-Prokuplje-Pristina should also be considered.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #5752
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Opening of the Mihajlo Pupin bridge is going to be tomorrow at 11 am.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #5753
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Will they open all of SMT as well?
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Up to Zrenjanin road
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #5755
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NO.They will open SMT from this point:https://www.google.rs/maps/@44.85288.../data=!3m1!1e3
To this point:https://www.google.rs/maps/@44.90515.../data=!3m1!1e3
Other part of SMT will be opened next year.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:51 PM   #5756
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NO.They will open SMT from this point:https://www.google.rs/maps/@44.85288.../data=!3m1!1e3
To this point:https://www.google.rs/maps/@44.90515.../data=!3m1!1e3
Other part of SMT will be opened next year.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 12:17 AM   #5757
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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:46 AM   #5758
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Why not Thessaloniki? It's closer.
I think there is a 200kph rated railway from (very roughly) Pireus to Thessaloniki already and there will be a motorway all the way by 2015. There are stretches of it built at least, I remember seeing the rail tunnels being built in Tempi over 10 years ago.

Belgrade to Thessaloniki is c.650km including at least 350km of Hard Slog across mountains for a HSR, it would be wickedly expensive no matter what route you take. It would be more wickedly expensive for every extra 10kph you design it for.

Typical Chinese HSR in China costs $20m per km for really straight 350kph rated track ( costing source) , this would often mean a continous long concrete viaduct even on a plain ( flood risk) . US $2bn per 100km. In Western Europe it costs 50% more. One viaduct is 164km long.

If the plain is not a flood risk they _might_ get it in at sub $20m per km if they could put it on an embankment. I would be surprised if Belgrade - Budapest will come in much below $7BN to build and it will not come in below $5BN. The only way to get it to run at 300kph all the way is if you completely avoid towns along the route and put any stations in countryside on their outskirts. So the stations are sometimes further from a town centre than the airport is.

I don't think there is a twin track on the existing line from Thessaloniki to Macedonia either or an alternative line to Bulgaria.

Mind you the Chinese have just about finished a 1700km HSR to the north west near Kazakhstan including a Twin Railway Tunnel through a mountain at 3500m altitude so if anyone can ......

So that means you and Singidunum are both right if that is any help but it would cost a huge amount of money to build a HSR from Belgrade to Thessaloniki. I would think 300km at $30m a km and 350km at $40m a km with the major risks on the 350km section where earthquake proofing must also be added etc.

$20bn at the very least. If the state cannot afford a Belgrade - Montenegro motorway they need their heads examined if they go for a project like that unless the motorways are jammed with trucks carrying Chinese containers from Pireus first.

The Chinese will have knocked 2 whole days This Trip by next year all the same, just on new track openings in China itself. The problem is capacity on some sections. If Kazakhstan signs up to the Chinese vision they can knock another day off it easy

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The first freight train to link China directly to Spain arrived in Madrid on Tuesday after covering over 13,000 kilometres (8,000 miles) in a test run of a planned regular service between the two nations.

The train departed Yiwu in eastern China, a major wholesale centre for small consumer goods, on November 18 and passed through Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus, Poland, Germany, and France during its 21-day trip.

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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:04 AM   #5759
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It won't run at 300 or 350 obviously, especially not cargo lol. But the entire corridor needs repair. However they won't go for Chinese speeds, it adds to the cost enormously and doesn't save that much time, that's the whole point, it's only 650km while in China it's thousands in many directions.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:16 AM   #5760
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It won't run at 300 or 350 obviously, especially not cargo lol.
No of course, a freight train will run at 200kph max on a track where a passenger train runs at 300kph

* Chinese trains rated at 350kph are not allowed to run at 350kph on 350kph track any more but that may change in future and they may go a bit faster.

So I use the phrase '350kph track' even though the train may run at 300kph....just to be clear. It is a Chinese design standard.
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