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Old December 20th, 2014, 12:28 AM   #5781
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I'm surprised nobody has yet made a case, weak or not - Chinese financed & built Pupin bridge delivered ahead of schedule and on budget while EU-financed, built and supervised Zezelj bridge project, less than one third the value, has run into cost-overruns and huge delays.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 12:15 PM   #5782
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Old December 20th, 2014, 01:02 PM   #5783
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Old December 20th, 2014, 02:58 PM   #5784
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I'm surprised nobody has yet made a case, weak or not - Chinese financed & built Pupin bridge delivered ahead of schedule and on budget while EU-financed, built and supervised Zezelj bridge project, less than one third the value, has run into cost-overruns and huge delays.
I don't know this particular case and in generally I am not familiar with Serbian market - how much Chinese companies are participating in motorway construction in Serbia. We in Poland have not good experience with China based companies. One of them (Covec) was building motorway near Warsaw. They couldn't mach up to high European standards, also calculated wrongly budget, got into financial problems and eventually failed to finish a job... It looks like they are struggling in some European countries while they succeed in less demanding Africa or central America... Wondering how Chinese are doing in Serbia?
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Old December 20th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #5785
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Well, let's wait and see how they deal with the two sections of Belgrade-Bar motorway they've recently started building.


Meanwhile, Beska bridge...full overhaul of the old bridge was recently completed

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Old December 20th, 2014, 06:35 PM   #5786
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Video of Belgrade's new SMT expressway & Danube bridge...

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Old December 21st, 2014, 01:50 AM   #5787
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I don't know this particular case and in generally I am not familiar with Serbian market - how much Chinese companies are participating in motorway construction in Serbia. We in Poland have not good experience with China based companies. One of them (Covec) was building motorway near Warsaw. They couldn't mach up to high European standards, also calculated wrongly budget, got into financial problems and eventually failed to finish a job... It looks like they are struggling in some European countries while they succeed in less demanding Africa or central America... Wondering how Chinese are doing in Serbia?
Do you realy believe this bulshit fairy tale? It was not Covec that " had problems", but it was polish and western companies that were forcing Asian company to give up the contract. Just after announcing the winner, there was big roar that Chinese company won beacause of "government's help" (of course there isn't any ties beetween big companies in Poland and the politicians). Next step was to force smaller companies to withdraw from being subcontractor and with delievering resources. And finally, they were doing beaurocracy sabotage for them, not allowing to employ non-Polish workers, nevr ending controls, etc.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 03:51 AM   #5788
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I don't know who you are but brain washing and conspiracy theory is not for intelligent people supporting their point of view on facts not on made up ideas. Do you have any single proof of what you are talking about? Just give me something black on white not that blah, blah, blah...government is bad.... blah, blah, blah, western companies are bad....blah, blah, blah... someone did something to someone. Facts are: Chinese underestimated and lowered price of project in order to win tender. They did win. Got in financial problems. Stopped to pay subcontractors. Got fired from project because of very, very short time to deadline. (Motorway was supposed to be finished before Euro2012 in Poland). Nobody would stop Chinese and make them problems knowing that is going to endanger construction of whole motorway in such a crucial time. But some people knows what they just believe in...
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Old December 21st, 2014, 01:59 PM   #5789
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As I recall, the Chinese didn't do their homework at all. They had absolutely no infrastructure presence here, and their entire strategy was to use local subcontractors for everything, with the site managed by the Chinese. What they didn't count on was that the GDDKiA would check everything thoroughly, as well as local businesses being very unwilling to deal with them for various reasons. It seems that they had expected to get materials and supplies 'on the cheap' - and they didn't. It also seems that they were trying to import stuff into the EU to use on the project - without considering that all this stuff needs to be certified and approved. At the end of the day - they went in with a ridiculously low bid and got caught out.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 03:07 PM   #5790
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First of all the Polish procurement/deadline system is very rigid and a lot of companies have come unstuck there from a lot of countries.

Serbias old friends, the incompetent Alpine Bau, even got kicked of a bridge contract in Poland......twice. The Chinese company in question was crap from the look of it.....they have not been seen in Europe since. There are crap companies everywhere.

Serbia is free to enter commercial contracts with anyone they like, if the Chinese are delivering and financing badly needed infrastructure and at a good price and on time and budget with no overruns and demands for more money...... then Serbia is entitled to enter bilateral relationships with China, any time, for as long as they are not EU members.

Once Serbia enters the EU it gets a lot more complex owing to EU rules on public contracts.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 05:40 PM   #5791
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Any drops of fuel prices in recent time in Serbia?
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Old December 21st, 2014, 10:31 PM   #5792
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Any drops of fuel prices in recent time in Serbia?
Nothing worth mentioning.
In your country?
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Old December 21st, 2014, 10:34 PM   #5793
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In your country?
At least 20% since summer and seems to be continued. No doubt that there will be below 1 euro soon
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Old December 21st, 2014, 10:41 PM   #5794
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And lucky you for fuel prices, just drive and drive
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Old December 21st, 2014, 11:19 PM   #5795
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I would be lucky if fuel costs no more than 0,5 euro
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First of all the Polish procurement/deadline system is very rigid and a lot of companies have come unstuck there from a lot of countries.

Serbias old friends, the incompetent Alpine Bau, even got kicked of a bridge contract in Poland......twice. The Chinese company in question was crap from the look of it.....they have not been seen in Europe since. There are crap companies everywhere.

Serbia is free to enter commercial contracts with anyone they like, if the Chinese are delivering and financing badly needed infrastructure and at a good price and on time and budget with no overruns and demands for more money...... then Serbia is entitled to enter bilateral relationships with China, any time, for as long as they are not EU members.

Once Serbia enters the EU it gets a lot more complex owing to EU rules on public contracts.
This is exactly another reason why it would be better to not join this cancer known as the EU.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 11:28 PM   #5797
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This is exactly another reason why it would be better to not join this cancer known as the EU.
Just out of politics,please!
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 03:36 AM   #5798
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Almost just choked laughing....Belgrade bridge tours, packed public transit buses (#85 line) that crosses both the Sava via Ada bridge and Danube via Pupin bridge

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Old December 23rd, 2014, 01:02 PM   #5799
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I don't know who you are but brain washing and conspiracy theory is not for intelligent people supporting their point of view on facts not on made up ideas. Do you have any single proof of what you are talking about? Just give me something black on white not that blah, blah, blah...government is bad.... blah, blah, blah, western companies are bad....blah, blah, blah... someone did something to someone. Facts are: Chinese underestimated and lowered price of project in order to win tender. They did win. Got in financial problems. Stopped to pay subcontractors. Got fired from project because of very, very short time to deadline. (Motorway was supposed to be finished before Euro2012 in Poland). Nobody would stop Chinese and make them problems knowing that is going to endanger construction of whole motorway in such a crucial time. But some people knows what they just believe in...
It's not conspiracy theory, all of this fact were uncovered, when Covec started to argue with GDDKia . Also many companies "lower" the price, how many times it ends with kicking out from the contract? In fact this time government did good job, but become prisoner of building mafia.
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Old December 24th, 2014, 05:47 PM   #5800
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Everything is ready for continued construction of Zezelj's bridge



Wednesday, 12/24/2014|12:16 | Source: Tanjug

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The minister of construction, traffic and infrastructure, Zorana Mihajlovic, says everything is ready so that construction of the Zezelj’s bridge in Novi Sad can continue. There have already been 120 workers on site ready to start working.


At the construction site at the right coast of the Danube in Petrovaradin, Zorana Mihajlovic said that both the Government of Serbia and she personally, a few times during the previous months, was saying she will do everything so that construction of the Zezelj’s bridge would start again, Tanjug reports.

- This bridge is important for Novi Sad and Vojvodina and entire Serbia and I can say now that all problems with respect to bridge construction have been solved and we can say that the construction of the Zezelj’s bridge will be completed by mid- 2016– Mihajlovic said.

Speaking about "overcoming the obstacles", the minister said she is glad that provincial government realized it should only do its job.


- Projects in Serbia must not be late, ever again in Serbia. There has been halt in works at the Zezelj’s bridge and it must not be repeated again – Mihajlovic said.

She said that already January next year will see continuation of bridge construction and announce that also she or expert services from the ministry will visit the works.

According to the minister, control of works as well as on all other investments in
Serbia, will be regular, on two to three weeks.




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