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Old December 5th, 2015, 08:17 PM   #6421
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That last contracted section of Belgrade's SMT expressway is also nearing completion - if the weather permits, the part between Ovca and road towards Pancevo could be opened by New Year's. Delays were due to expropriation issues, to be precise, a tampon factory stood in the way of progress

Some early preparations are already underway for the next phase, which will include a new
Danube bridge.

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Old December 5th, 2015, 10:49 PM   #6422
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Seemingly off-topic yet somehow related ... Serbia's very much inept government is on the verge of selling one of it's last cash-cows, the state-owned Telecom...
Or perhaps the perfect opportunity to quickly and easily solve Belgrade's lack of a metro.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 07:29 AM   #6423
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Yeah, while it's sure becoming embarassing to have Belgrade as the largest European city without a working underground rail system, I'd like to see you explain that to the rest of country.

You can't just spend the proceeds from the sale of a national resource to benefit just 15% of the population.

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Danube river, Serbia-Romania border ...

Construction of a new tunnel, part of a multi-million project to reconstruct Golubac fortress.
Old road, currently passing through the old medieval fortress and deemed detrimental to it, will be re-routed through the tunnel. Works are being carried out by local firm "Planum" and should be completed in Spring 2016.









Could be an interesting tourist site in the future, with a visitor center, brand new marine for cruise ships and so on...






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Old December 6th, 2015, 12:34 PM   #6424
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Very nice!!
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Old December 6th, 2015, 03:55 PM   #6425
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Two days ago an article in newspapers say that deadline in June 2016 will be extended because of slow progress in restoration and other difficulties (wrong type of stone used in restoration). Even Serbia might return money (6.6 million EUR) from EU funds because of this failures:

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna...-vise-paprikas
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Old December 6th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #6426
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Yeah, while it's sure becoming embarassing to have Belgrade as the largest European city without a working underground rail system
Dublin, Birmingham and Manchester are a little larger on most ways of counting it and lack that underground rail system.

It's not as bad as you think!
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Old December 6th, 2015, 05:03 PM   #6427
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Two days ago an article in newspapers say that deadline in June 2016 will be extended because of slow progress in restoration and other difficulties (wrong type of stone used in restoration). Even Serbia might return money (6.6 million EUR) from EU funds because of this failures:

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna...-vise-paprikas
Oh, that's sad...
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Old December 6th, 2015, 05:26 PM   #6428
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Dublin, Birmingham and Manchester are a little larger on most ways of counting it and lack that underground rail system.

It's not as bad as you think!
There are many things to concern in this discussion.
1. Does the city have other ways of public transport? I wont focus at just one piece of it.
2. Is the city growing? How fast? Thats most important in discussing the sense or nonsense of building much new infrastructure. (I do know most citys grow)
3. How much transport is necessary? One should focus the share of public transport, not the absolute numbers.
4. How is the structure of the city? If affordable living is far away from working places the need of commuting increases. A mixtured use of the space decreases it.
5. How is the situation overground? Some cities have very much mediaval architecture, with narrow streets.
6. HOw is the situation underground? Depending on the material it is harder or easier to drill. How much water is there? A big river nearby, or a lake, ocean etc. can make cost bigger.

Depending on this facts (and much more) it should be decided how to spend money (if you have some). The population is easy to count, but is not the main factor for the necessity of underground rail. Its like arguing a big city should have a baseball stadion.... Maybe people like other kinds of sports. Or even other ways of spending free time. The only thing one could argue is that they need something to spend their free time at all. So the only thing one dould argue here is that a city needs public transport. But you won't go underground, if you have overground possibilities which are most time much cheaper etc.

But as politicians like to show that they got the biggest... it occurs now and then, that they blow up much money for one big project whilst the same money would have done much more good in several smaller upgrades.

I did read much about the different systems mostly in germany. Some cities did even build tunnels which are not in use anymore due to the high maintenance cost.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #6429
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Serbias budget is healthy compared to many EU countries
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Old December 6th, 2015, 05:51 PM   #6430
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There are many things to concern in this discussion.
Absolutely, and you go through them well.

However, as the mass transit is not on topic for this thread, I merely concerned myself with correcting the falsehood, rather than diving into a detailed discussion of why "biggest city in Europe without an underground rail system" might not be as bad as it sounds.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 09:10 AM   #6431
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Preliminary design for Fruska Gora Corridor to be prepared soon

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Belgrade, 10 Dec 2015 – Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Construction, Transport and Infrastructure Zorana Mihajlovic and Director of the Highway Institute Bratislav Milic signed a contract today, worth RSD 93 million, for the preliminary design for the construction of Fruska Gora Corridor, i.e. motorway from Ruma to Novi Sad.

The deadline for the preparation of design for three sections of the motorway is six months, and the project documentation for the fourth section, from the beginning of the bypass around Ruma to the loop route with the E-70 motorway will be done after the completion of the feasibility study.

Fruska Gora Corridor is another proof that this government and I as minister will not allow a single project to stand still, Mihajlovic said.

I insisted to first bring back this project among priorities, and then to work on it much faster than to date, which is happening today, she underlined.

Mihajlovic pointed out that RSD 77.2 million is earmarked for this project in the budget for 2016.

Fruska Gora Corridor will link Corridor 10 and Corridor 4 and create the shortest link between Bosnia-Herzegovina and Romania, by which Serbia will reaffirm its position as the key transit country in the region.


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Old December 11th, 2015, 06:44 PM   #6432
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...35 yrs politicians talk about it...still nothing...
...Novi Sad - Zrenjanin - Timisoara ???
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Old December 11th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #6433
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I've never posted anything on the topic of highway signage, since I find the whole thing quite boring but this is something simply hilarious...


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Serbia to ignore protest over "FYROM" sign on highway - FM
Source: Vecernje novosti, Tanjug Friday, December 11, 2015 | 09:38

Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic has said he "sees no reason for Skopje's complaint" over a highway sign on Corridor 10 in Serbia that reads, "FYROM."

FYROM (Serbian: BJRM) is the acronym for "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" - the name under which the country has been admitted to the UN. Its constitutional name, and one under which Serbia recognized it, is "Republic of Macedonia."

"They mind the sign, whereas we should not mind that they voted in favor of Kosovo's admission to UNESCO," Dacic asked.

The minister added that "our ambassador in Skopje presented the same arguments during a meeting in their Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where she was delivered an oral demarche over to the sign," Belgrade-based daily Vecernje Novosti is reporting.

Skopje has based its protest on the fact Serbia recognizes it as "Republic of Macedonia," asking that the sign, listing the details of the construction site that is currently the Vladicin Han- Donji Neradovac section of the road, be urgently removed.

But Dacic was adamant that the sign will remain where it is, saying:

"It is about time we stopped working against our own interests. It's true Serbia recognized Macedonia under that name, unlike (other) European states, but that was done under (Slobodan) Milosevic, in the 1990s. While Macedonia has recognized Kosovo and is now bothered by some sign. It's incomprehensible that Indonesia is a bigger friend to us than a neighboring state."

Macedonia was among 92 UNESCO members who in early November supported Pristina's failed bid to join the organization.

Dacic said at the time Belgrade was "disappointed, but not surprised" by its neighbors' behavior, and stressed their move was "deeply contrary to our national interests."
The recently opened section was built by the Greek firm Terna - thank God for them, our spineless politicians would never
do it on their own.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 08:04 PM   #6434
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The recently opened section was built by the Greek firm Terna - thank God for them, our spineless politicians would never
do it on their own.
Pathetic little Balkan spat - worse then two children fighting over a chocolate bar.

I noticed the FYROM sign on that new section of motorway recently opened - who honestly cares about such meaningless symbolism
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Old December 11th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #6435
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Any youtube video of that section to be uploaded soon?
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Old December 11th, 2015, 11:07 PM   #6436
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I've never posted anything on the topic of highway signage, since I find the whole thing quite boring but this is something simply hilarious...




The recently opened section was built by the Greek firm Terna - thank God for them, our spineless politicians would never
do it on their own.
#JustBalkanThings
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Old December 12th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #6437
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Pathetic little Balkan spat - worse then two children fighting over a chocolate bar.

I noticed the FYROM sign on that new section of motorway recently opened - who honestly cares about such meaningless symbolism
That's true. But is also true that serbs did it, because they want to make greeks happy. Reason for that is that Greece wanted to recognise Kosovo few months ago. But all in all serbs recognise RM and not FYRM, so last name for them does not exist
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Old December 13th, 2015, 04:26 AM   #6438
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All in all, just another Balkan crappy bitch fight about some meaningless shyt.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 09:23 AM   #6439
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Indeed, yet you gotta admire Macedonia's government and its balls of steel.
They "recognize" Kosovo, they vote for in favor of it at UNESCO and suddenly expect us to drop "FYROM" from our motorway signs? Yeah, good luck...

Macedonia is lucky Serbia doesn't treat it like Russia does Ukraine.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 10:27 AM   #6440
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My opinion is that the recognition of Kosovo and voting for Kosovo in UNESCO is a result of internal pressure from Albanian political parties. But maybe I'm just biased because I have a bit of Macedonian ancestry...
Anyway, this has to be moved to a suitable thread (like Balkan Politics?).
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