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Old August 1st, 2016, 04:45 PM   #6881
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Old August 1st, 2016, 06:30 PM   #6882
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Joke on side . What is the need for a second bridge very close to the Pancevacki bridge, a capacity issue, having in mind that another bridge is also planned at Vinca?

E pancevo ko kao tebe* two bridges to downtown Beograd

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Old August 1st, 2016, 06:45 PM   #6883
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Joke on side . What is the need for a second bridge very close to the Pancevacki bridge, a capacity issue, having in mind that another bridge is also planned at Vinca?

E pancevo ko kao tebe* two bridges to downtown Beograd

PS: * - this has no translation in English
The new Ada Huja bridge will be a part of the SMT - the peripheral arterial ring road, while the current Pančevo bridge is supposed to become the principal bridge of the UMP inner ring road. In relation to that, the 3rd planned bridge - the Vinča road and rail bridge will be a motorway ring road continuing the current motorway bypass towards and around Pančevo.

In a nutshell, the whole bridge system is envisaged as a part of a three tier ring road system, segregating internal car traffic (the UMP), from the internal cargo traffic (the SMT), from the external car&cargo traffic (the motorway bypass)
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Old August 1st, 2016, 06:57 PM   #6884
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Joke on side . What is the need for a second bridge very close to the Pancevacki bridge, a capacity issue, having in mind that another bridge is also planned at Vinca?

E pancevo ko kao tebe* two bridges to downtown Beograd

PS: * - this has no translation in English
although lurker said it very fine, I will just add that all of the 4 bridges over danube (pupin, panchevachki, huya and vincha) are pretty much needed because they will serve not only panchevo but the whole banat and beyond,
also in the future, belgrade will probably continue to expand on the danube's right bank (but I would like it to be far less "wild" than before)...

nevertheless, we can consider ourselves lucky if the construction of those two missing bridges starts by the end of this decade

ps. * i'm not quite sure i understand what you have tried to say
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Old August 1st, 2016, 07:33 PM   #6885
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also in the future, belgrade will probably continue to expand on the danube's right bank (but I would like it to be far less "wild" than before...
Oh the whole settlement on the left bank of Danube (some 150k inhabitants) was illegally built during the last 25 years. A moderately powerful nuke would nicely do the job there, although somehow I suspect that is not an option right now.

Anyway, with detailed regulation plans in the making, and the recent legalization law passed by the government, here's hope that the whole informal settlement will eventually be urbanized up to standards.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 07:35 PM   #6886
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although lurker said it very fine, I will just add that all of the 4 bridges over danube (pupin, panchevachki, huya and vincha) are pretty much needed because they will serve not only panchevo but the whole banat and beyond,
also in the future, belgrade will probably continue to expand on the danube's right bank (but I would like it to be far less "wild" than before)...

nevertheless, we can consider ourselves lucky if the construction of those two missing bridges starts by the end of this decade

ps. * i'm not quite sure i understand what you have tried to say
I wanted to say there aren't so many like you having two bridges going to the centre, in other words you are priviliged.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 08:00 PM   #6887
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Oh the whole settlement on the left bank of Danube (some 150k inhabitants) was illegally built during the last 25 years. A moderately powerful nuke would nicely do the job there, although somehow I suspect that is not an option right now.

Anyway, with detailed regulation plans in the making, and the recent legalization law passed by the government, here's hope that the whole informal settlement will eventually be urbanized up to standards.
that is exactly what I wanted to say with "wild"!
unfortunately I think that nothing can't be done anymore, except for that nuke...

having in mind the current government, there is no hope...

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I wanted to say there aren't so many like you having two bridges going to the centre, in other words you are priviliged.
oh, so you meant: "niko kao ti" ...

yeah, I am privileged alright, but with a big "huy" with which I can only pop my eyes out (rough translation of an old suburbial proverb )
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Old August 1st, 2016, 08:26 PM   #6888
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that is exactly what I wanted to say with "wild"!
unfortunately I think that nothing can't be done anymore, except for that nuke...

having in mind the current government, there is no hope...
Yeah, know what you mean, was just elaborating more on your train of thought.

However, if the government stays put in actually not allowing illegal construction past November 2015 (when the law was passed), that would be a first ever since 1990 or so. Having that in mind, the next 6 months or so will be crucial for that, as that's when the demolitions of illegal structures are supposed to be enforced. Let's wait and see.

As to the urban planning part of making sense of the left Danube bank of Palilula municipality, you can check the PGR's (general regulation plans) on the Belgrade land development directorate:
http://www.beoland.com/pgr-grad-beograd.html

So yeah, plans are being developed as we speak, lets just hope they also start enforcing the laws and not allow random mugs to build wherever the heck they please to. (city government included. Belgrade waterfront *coughcough*)

http://www.blic.rs/vesti/ekonomija/z...ntrole/j5xj6nk
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 12:44 AM   #6889
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 06:52 AM   #6890
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They're opening a segment of Kragujevac-Batocina expressway tomorrow
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 09:16 AM   #6891
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Finally a smooth ride from the A4 via Kragujevac to Guča Festival
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 04:59 PM   #6892
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Kragujevac-Batocina section open for traffic

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A 6 km, four-lane section of the highway from Kragujevac to Batocina was opened for traffic on Tuesday, August 2. Minister of Construction, Transport and Infrastructure Zorana Mihajlovic said at the opening that the completion of the works on the highway and its connection to Corridor 10 were expected by the end of 2017.

Nine kilometers of the road have been completed in the past years, and a 3.7 km section at Batocina remains to be completed, as well as an additional five kilometers before the highway connects to Corridor 10.

The director of PE Roads of Serbia, Zoran Drobnjak, said that RSD 1.3 billion had been invested in the construction works on the highway, and that RSD 1.6 billion was needed for the remaining works.

The construction of the highway has lasted for over a decade.




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Old August 2nd, 2016, 05:32 PM   #6893
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Which section is this? Between Gradac and Batočina? The media and press release aren't clear about it.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 05:51 PM   #6894
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I would assume so...

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Old August 2nd, 2016, 06:23 PM   #6895
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Will it be continued one day towards Kraljevo or it will go to Mrcajevci/Cacak?
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 09:04 PM   #6896
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Will it be continued one day towards Kraljevo or it will go to Mrcajevci/Cacak?
There have been no such plans so far.
From my experience, current traffic density doesn't require it.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 10:22 PM   #6897
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Which lots of motrway will be open this year ?
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 11:38 PM   #6898
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So here's that latest map of Kragujevac-Batocina expressway:

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Old August 3rd, 2016, 02:18 AM   #6899
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Will it be continued one day towards Kraljevo or it will go to Mrcajevci/Cacak?
Surely Serbia is running out of worthy Motorway building projects ( where the toll revenue and traffic will justify the cost) Cacak - Belgrade should be OK but that plan to build from Cacak to the Adriatic won't be a cheap project and won't exactly be heaving with traffic either.

Some sensible half profile motorway plans are needed for less trafficked sections to smaller towns and cities. Hungary and Croatia have the sense to build these roads and come back with the money to build the 'other half' if traffic requires.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 12:37 PM   #6900
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I said it more from a local point of view connecting the 3Ks, Kragujevac-Kraljevo-Krusevac.
As for the A2, indeed it is expensive but so is corridor Vc passing also through the Dinaric Alps and who knows if BiH delays it then corridor XI be it an expressway or a motorway could happen earlier in time. Moreover, Bar is very appropriate for the ships from the Western Meditteranean.
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