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Old July 2nd, 2017, 04:13 AM   #7461
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Diaspora coming back for summer vacations = insane six hour waits at Horgos border crossing (HU border).

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Old July 2nd, 2017, 07:22 PM   #7462
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Second SAT Patrol to Greece
Any 3rd SAT Patrol for 2017?
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Old July 2nd, 2017, 07:37 PM   #7463
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Of course...

Belgade to Budva, via Morača canyon...



Next week's should be particularly interesting - Belgrade to my favorite town in Boka Kotor Bay, Herceg Novi via Serb Republic's towns of Visegrad & Trebinje
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Old July 2nd, 2017, 11:52 PM   #7464
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Diaspora coming back for summer vacations = insane six hour waits at Horgos border crossing (HU border).
Which of the alternatives do they recommend?
Do many use the one in Kelibija?
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 08:22 AM   #7465
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Diaspora coming back for summer vacations = insane six hour waits at Horgos border crossing (HU border).

Why don't some of these people fly - that's what airplanes were invented for
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 11:52 AM   #7466
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Why don't some of these people fly - that's what airplanes were invented for
Because plane tickets are insanely expensive this time of the year.
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 12:12 PM   #7467
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As the officer says in the video, you have a good deal of crossing points around the one at the highway. Of all of them, only Kelebija can be used if you're not serbian citizen and non-EU citizen. The others only let serbian and EU citizens go through and they have limited opening hours from 7-19 every day. In this way, you can filter the Turks away that only have Turkish citizenship. However there are EU laws that says that you can even use these crossings if only one of your close relatives are joining your journey, that is your wife, brother or sister (dont know if it goes more far away than that) if this person is a EU citizen. In this matter, also Norwegian, Swiss and Icelandic citizens are counted as EU citizens.
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 03:50 PM   #7468
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Why don't some of these people fly - that's what airplanes were invented for
Cheaper is a plane naturally. I've been working for years on this road.
The scenario is the following - tugged cars with luggage, screaming children, many thousands of cars on the same day. Upon coming from Turkey they carry drugs, returning - the money from them. They can not verify them in any way more than 0.001%.
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 05:47 PM   #7469
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As the officer says in the video, you have a good deal of crossing points around the one at the highway. Of all of them, only Kelebija can be used if you're not serbian citizen and non-EU citizen. The others only let serbian and EU citizens go through and they have limited opening hours from 7-19 every day. In this way, you can filter the Turks away that only have Turkish citizenship. However there are EU laws that says that you can even use these crossings if only one of your close relatives are joining your journey, that is your wife, brother or sister (dont know if it goes more far away than that) if this person is a EU citizen. In this matter, also Norwegian, Swiss and Icelandic citizens are counted as EU citizens.
So EU citizen can not use Kelibija?
Seems weird, I would at least understand border controll which only allow the the citizen of the two countries.
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 07:20 PM   #7470
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So EU citizen can not use Kelibija?
Seems weird, I would at least understand border controll which only allow the the citizen of the two countries.
No buddy. Kelebija is international. Everybody can use it. If from Hungary, take the route 55 because its much wider than local roads and then go for the 53 route. If from Serbia, then there is no way to avoid Subotica center but take is as an adventure... Have a safe journey.
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Old July 4th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #7471
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So EU citizen can not use Kelibija?
Seems weird, I would at least understand border controll which only allow the the citizen of the two countries.
Аs an EU citizen, you can go through all border points. I have crossed at all points, west of Roszke-Koszut.Apart from the weird looks, it was all fine. I have also seen people with turkish passports cross at Backi Vinogradi, so I guess at peak times, they close their eyes.
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Old July 4th, 2017, 01:52 PM   #7472
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Cheaper is a plane naturally. I've been working for years on this road.
The scenario is the following - tugged cars with luggage, screaming children, many thousands of cars on the same day. Upon coming from Turkey they carry drugs, returning - the money from them. They can not verify them in any way more than 0.001%.
Plane is cheaper if you are maybe 2 persons, travelling by low-cost airline without luggage. But these people are travelling 4-5 in a car, with a lot of luggage.
Also another avantage of the car is that you travel from door to door in just one vehicle without having to change the means of transportation. For many travelling from Germany to Anatolia a trip by plane means:
1. travelling by bus/taxi to the nearest train station
2. travelling by train to the nearest airport with maybe 1-2-3 train changes on the way
3. travelling by plane to Ankara having to change plane either in Germany (München, Frankfurt, etc.) or in Istanbul
4. travelling by bus from Ankara to your village, that can be 4-500 km away. It can be that there is no direct bus connection and you have to travel with 2 buses.

All these can lead to a 2 day journey, even if the plane trip takes just 3 hours.

Another aspect is that you maybe need the car on the holiday to travel around, visit your relatives etc. You also want to show your relatives what a nice car you managed to buy in the last time, since your last visit.

Because of these aspects, there are still many that prefer to travel home by car, and not take the plane.
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Old July 4th, 2017, 02:29 PM   #7473
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There is an alternative: Optima Express train. You can board a car in Villach, travel in a sleeper coach through Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria and after 30 hours you are in Edirne, fresh to continue your journey with a car.

http://www.optimatours.de/uber_optima.php?lang=EN
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Old July 4th, 2017, 03:27 PM   #7474
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With a family of four you have to pay € 1770 for a return trip with the Optima Express. Few people want to pay that kind of money to save 1 - 2 days of driving.
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Old July 4th, 2017, 04:32 PM   #7475
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There is an alternative: Optima Express train. You can board a car in Villach, travel in a sleeper coach through Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria and after 30 hours you are in Edirne, fresh to continue your journey with a car.

http://www.optimatours.de/uber_optima.php?lang=EN


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Old July 5th, 2017, 03:53 AM   #7476
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Every summer we are reminded of how well Germany integrates its guestworkers.
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Old July 5th, 2017, 03:38 PM   #7477
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Every summer we are reminded of how well Germany integrates its guestworkers.
These people are not coming just from Germany, but from all Western Europe. You have to take into account that there are at least 3 million turks in Western Europe, that still have connection to their home country. It happens exactly like this with romanians living in Italy, France or Spain, almost all of them are spending their holiday in Romania.
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Old July 5th, 2017, 06:42 PM   #7478
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For the first time, we have some sort of official confirmation in regards to A2 - during the meeting between the managers of Chinese CRBC and Montenegrin PM, it has been revelead that apparently the Serbian Government has reached an agreement with the Chinese company to undertake the project of building the motorway south of Pozega towards the Montenegrin border.

This entire stretch is currently being filmed by drones, after the Chinese signed a contract with a local aerial survey company in May.

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Old July 6th, 2017, 01:49 AM   #7479
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Every summer we are reminded of how well Germany integrates its guestworkers.
They are not guestworkers anymore, just Europeans.
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Old July 10th, 2017, 01:34 AM   #7480
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Just a nice pic, Belgrade's Slavija square with the new roundabout fountain

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