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Old April 30th, 2010, 04:37 PM   #961
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i think that Serbia has much more important work to do with motorways to Macedonia, Hungary and Bulgaria before that one
That's the point. Novi Sad - Hungary is going to be completed, Nis - Bulgaria, Nis - Macedonia. And then there's a big gap in Western Serbia which has no Motorway connection and is much more important and will get a motorway: Belgrade - Pozega and then (hopefully) over Uzice and Zlatibor to Montenegro, altough the way after Uzice/Zlatibor to Montenegro is not that highly frequented, but would really profit from a major reconstruction and improved security (lane divider, hard shoulders to prevent cars to fall down the cliffs etc). There were maps on here which showed that the "Ibar" road from Belgrade to Zlatibor had an AADT almost similar to that of some motorways in Serbia, and that traffic dropped considerably after Uzice/Zlatibor.

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Are these plans realistic - 300km in two years?
I think it's possible, it's not one big section but divided into more smaller sections. The biggest section is the 110km part from Novi Sad to Subotica, which is being built by a consortium of 2 or 4 firms, so they will have to make 55km this year and 55km next year on that stretch, which shouldn't be a problem given that they start in May and have time till september or October to finish it, last year 20kms were built on that section in a smaller time frame. This time they just put in more manpower and it shouldn't be a problem. And the other smaller sections should also not present any problem.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 04:44 PM   #962
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So he says at the policeman : "Please, take the car instead"
Nope, he says, I give you guys 50 and we are fine and they say OK.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #963
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Are these plans realistic - 300km in two years?
No, it's not. In the last 10 years in Serbia is not even 100 km of motorways were built, so we can't expect 300km for 2 years. At best, for two years could be completed parts of the Novi Sad - Hungary, and a bridge over the Danube near the village of Beška. That would be about 90km in total.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:07 PM   #964
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In the last 10 years there was no funding, now the funding is secured, so where's the problem?
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:17 PM   #965
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In my opinion, 300km in 2 years is more a political story, as you already know, if they build a 90-100km, that would be fantastic.
By the way, I'm not entirely sure that funding are fully secured for all these roads.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #966
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of course that 300 km is hard to believe. hungarian M6/M60 was so praised, and it is under that average of 300 km/2 years
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Old April 30th, 2010, 10:21 PM   #967
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Serbia will have mobile patrols in civil cars on highways. The current speed limit is 120km/h and if you drive over it you will have to pay 210 euros + 50 euros for each 10km/h above the allowed speed. If you are going 180km/h + than you go to jail from 3 do 30 days and you have to docommunity service by cleaning the ditches on the highway. If you stop for 30 seconds on the highway - 30 euros, forget to switch on the lights (compulsary all year long) - 50 euros.

This is the new law in Serbia, so be careful guys.


So Serbia is going to become a police country and it will be better to avoid this state.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #968
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enforcing laws = police state?
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Old April 30th, 2010, 10:38 PM   #969
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One of the main problem travelling trough Serbia are not the poor quality roads but the policeman that are absolute extortionist for other country drivers. But completion of the motorways sections as planned is really important for transit traffic from Bulgaria and Turkey.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 10:42 PM   #970
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Good news today...even if we are all a bit skeptical

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Ub - Lajkovac highway put out to tender
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KRALJEVO - Serbian Infrastructure Minister Milutin Mrkonjic said in Kraljevo on Friday that the government invited tenders for highway construction on the section from Ub to Lajkovac, which is 12.5 km in length and will be a part of the so-called Corridor 11.

Corridor 11, once complete, will run from border with Romania towards border with Montenegro and further towards Montenegro's port town of Bar:

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Old April 30th, 2010, 11:14 PM   #971
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of course that 300 km is hard to believe. hungarian M6/M60 was so praised, and it is under that average of 300 km/2 years
Now as things stand Serbia acquired money that it is necessary to build this 300 km motorway. Of these 300 km over 100 km is already half-built (Novi Sad-Subotica section). If money is no problem and if there are companies and machinery I can`t see any problem in the construction of 300 km motorway.
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You can try some smaller crossing. Bring GPS though. You will loose some time going around the local roads but you will not wait for 4 hours because of the Turkish diaspora going home.

Crossings are Bački Breg - Hercegsanto, Kelebija - Tompa, Bajmok - Bačalmaš, Đala - Tisasiget, Horgoš - Reske. Kelebija and Horgoš are major and Bački Breg, Bajmok and Đala are minor.
Ok, thanks! But how is it to pass the border(E75) at night?
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:01 AM   #973
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enforcing laws = police state?
If you think that 30 days in prison for driving 180km/h on motorway is a propriate punishment then vote for such law in Holland, for me is an exaggeration.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:05 AM   #974
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One of the main problem travelling trough Serbia are not the poor quality roads but the policeman that are absolute extortionist for other country drivers. But completion of the motorways sections as planned is really important for transit traffic from Bulgaria and Turkey.
How much euros do they normally take?
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Old May 1st, 2010, 01:15 AM   #975
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Ok, thanks! But how is it to pass the border(E75) at night?
It's the same. When Turkish diaspora goes home it's day and night jam on border crossings. And there's no way to avoid it, Serbia has no rule that gives precedence to domestic, let alone EU, citizens, so you have to wait for hours behind them.

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So Serbia is going to become a police country and it will be better to avoid this state.
Yeah please avoid Serbia for mutual good. We will have less reckless drivers and you will not have to spend your money on speeding fines.
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And it has begun...
(110 kilometers of Novi Sad-Horgos motorway, works should be complete within nine months)






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Old May 1st, 2010, 03:06 AM   #977
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Old May 1st, 2010, 10:10 AM   #979
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It's the same. When Turkish diaspora goes home it's day and night jam on border crossings. And there's no way to avoid it, Serbia has no rule that gives precedence to domestic, let alone EU, citizens, so you have to wait for hours behind them.
Do the Turkish diaspora use only Horgos border, or do they also know about Kelebija? It's a crucial info for me as I plan to go thru Kelebija hoping that there will be no crowd.

And second question : is there in Serbian web a webcam showing Horgos border situation, or maybe a telephone information about it ?


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Yeah please avoid Serbia for mutual good. We will have less reckless drivers and you will not have to spend your money on speeding fines.
Don't bother about msz2. His opinions are in shrinking minority in Poland.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 06:38 PM   #980
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Corridor 10 to be completed by 1 May, 2012

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Novi Sad, 1 May 2010 – Minister for Infrastructure Milutin Mrkonjic extended May Day greetings to all contractors, workers and young people, stressing that Serbia is a huge construction site and that on this day in two years Corridor 10 will be completed.

Touring the construction site on the northern branch of Corridor 10 near Novi Sad, Mrkonjic said that in 2010 alone the Serbian government will invest €800 million in projects on this Corridor.

He recalled that so far around €200 million has been invested in the construction of a new bridge on the Danube near Beska, the ring road around Novi Sad and the motorway from Novi Sad to Horgos.

He said that by the end of the year another €600 million is to be invested in Corridor 10 for another seven sections.

This guarantees the stability of the Serbian economy because almost one billion Euros will be invested in roads, the Minister stressed.

Mrkonjic noted that on the international Labour Day, Serbian construction sites from Beska to Novi Sad are teeming with workers and that works on all sections are at full capacity.

New construction sites will be opened on the Dimitrovgrad–Nis and Grabovnice–Vranje sections, he announced underlining that by building Corridor 10 Serbia is opening a road to Europe.

Minister Mrkonjic also visited the construction site at the bridge near Beska.
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