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Old October 17th, 2010, 03:15 AM   #1461
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Isn't it like "čvor"?
In Croatian.
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Old October 17th, 2010, 12:03 PM   #1462
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In Croatian.
Its serbian word too:

Cvor - Large interchange, mostly between 2 or more highways
Petlja - Has two meanings, 1. interchange with an important road ("Mostarska petlja") or usual highway exit complex.

here s example what s what

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Old October 18th, 2010, 08:14 PM   #1463
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Serbia's "national road strategy" roadmap - eleven most important projects to be carried out within the next decade or so:

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Old October 18th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #1464
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Final details concerning construction of Belgrade's new Danube bridge, aka "Chinese bridge", worked out - construction set to begin Spring 2011


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Zemun – Borca bridge to be built within deadline

Belgrade, 18 Oct 2010 – Minister for the National Investment Plan Verica Kalanovic, Belgrade Mayor Dragan Djilas and Chinese Deputy Minister of Transport Feng Zhenglin agreed today that the Zemun-Borca bridge must be built according to the highest standards and within set deadlines.

A statement by the Ministry for the National Investment Plan reads that Kalanovic and Djilas had separate talks with Zhenglin, representatives of the Chinese Embassy in Serbia and the Chinese company that will build the bridge.

A design with a preliminary cost estimate should be ready by late November and all parties in the meeting voiced the hope that work on the bridge will start in spring 2011 at the latest.

Kalanovic and Zhenglin agreed that the level of communication should be increased so that the trust that has been built would not be hampered, reads the statement.

Also, it was agreed that a foreign company with experience will monitor the dynamics and quality of construction works.

The participants in the meeting highlighted that both sides want to deepen cooperation in the field of the implementation of infrastructural projects in Serbia as well as exchange of expertise and that the construction of the Zemun-Borca bridge marks the beginning of this cooperation.

The two ministries will sign a Memorandum on cooperation on infrastructural projects soon, it is added in the statement.


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Old October 18th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #1465
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petlja is what you physically see (multilevel interchange). čvor is more virtual thing, when you say čvor, you don't point to flyovers, cloverleafs, diamonds... čvor is just place where some more important roads intersect.
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Old October 19th, 2010, 10:29 AM   #1466
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Serbia's "national road strategy" roadmap - eleven most important projects to be carried out within the next decade or so:
Are Pojate-Preljina and Paracin-Zajecar going to be a motorways?
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Old October 19th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #1467
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Hi guys!

My girlfriend and I and another friend, we want to make a weekend trip in Serbia, starting in the morning Timisoara, Vrsac, Smederevo, Ram, Silver Lake, Veliko Gradiste, Golubac, a liitle of Derdap National Park, then back around Smederevo and finally Beograd, where we will stay for 2 nights (hopefully also find tickets for derby football match). Here is a roadmap I did in Google Maps: http://goo.gl/maps/hjmg

My question to you is, is the road planning I did ok? I mean, can we follow those roads? Or maybe you know better ones (quality depending, also sightseeing). I hope I posted on the right thread, if not, I apologize, you can send me PMs to not crowd the discussion here. Hvala.

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Old October 19th, 2010, 01:59 PM   #1468
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Are Pojate-Preljina and Paracin-Zajecar going to be a motorways?
As far as I know Pojate - Preljina is planned as full motorway (hs+2+2+hs, 2 lanes + hard shoulder for each direction), but Paracin - Zajecar as expressway (2+2, 2 lanes each direction, toll free)
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Old October 19th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #1469
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Hi guys!

My girlfriend and I and another friend, we want to make a weekend trip in Serbia, starting in the morning Timisoara, Vrsac, Smederevo, Ram, Silver Lake, Veliko Gradiste, Golubac, a liitle of Derdap National Park, then back around Smederevo and finally Beograd, where we will stay for 2 nights (hopefully also find tickets for derby football match). Here is a roadmap I did in Google Maps: http://goo.gl/maps/hjmg

My question to you is, is the road planning I did ok? I mean, can we follow those roads? Or maybe you know better ones (quality depending, also sightseeing). I hope I posted on the right thread, if not, I apologize, you can send me PMs to not crowd the discussion here. Hvala.

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I think you can follow all this roads. But it is a lot for only one day. Maybe it would be better to visit Vrsac on the way back and to choose between Smederevo and Požarevac (I would visit Smederevo). I dont know what you are intrested in but I would not go back without reaching the part of danube near Dubova if you wasnt there before. Maybe it would be better to stay the first night in Donji Milanovac. (Danube is so greate on morning and evening. Romantic too. )
But all depends on weather and your interests - serbian towns and settlements or nature and fortifications.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 11:18 AM   #1470
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Today is published Tender for sale of 51% of Telekom Serbia. If things goes as planned, at the beginning of next year, sale will be completed, and around 900 million € from the sale are planned for highway projects:

- motorway Belgrade - Čačak (E763)

- motorway Pojate - Kruševac - Požega - Čačak (E761)

- expressway Ruma - Šabac - Loznica
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Today is published Tender for sale of 51% of Telekom Serbia. If things goes as planned, at the beginning of next year, sale will be completed, and around 900 million € from the sale are planned for highway projects:

- motorway Belgrade - Čačak (E763)

- motorway Pojate - Kruševac - Požega - Čačak (E761)

- expressway Ruma - Šabac - Loznica
Both Kragujevac ring roads will be finished also from that money.
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Old October 21st, 2010, 02:54 AM   #1472
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Today is published Tender for sale of 51% of Telekom Serbia. If things goes as planned, at the beginning of next year, sale will be completed, and around 900 million € from the sale are planned for highway projects:

- motorway Belgrade - Čačak (E763)

- motorway Pojate - Kruševac - Požega - Čačak (E761)

- expressway Ruma - Šabac - Loznica
Haven't they already pulled credits worth billions(EBRD,IRB etc) for roads in Serbia? Didn't they say that the financial construction for the roads is closed?
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Old October 21st, 2010, 02:56 AM   #1473
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That was for Corridor 10
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Old October 21st, 2010, 06:07 PM   #1474
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Interesting...


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Bechtel wants to build Koridor 11

21.10.2010 12:23:00 | Source/Author PressCut
US company Bechtel is interested in building Koridor 11 in Serbia and the highway sector between Krusevac and Kraljevo and for this, it wants to hire mainly Serbian workforce.

Serbian Minister of Infrastructure Milutin Mrkonjic presented the future highway route to the representatives of Bechtel. Serbian road construction companies also presented their capacities, and the wish to include them in the realization of all large projects in Serbia was expressed. Bechtel believes that it could launch the works in spring 2011.
(Tanjug, Novosti)
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Old October 21st, 2010, 06:13 PM   #1475
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If Bechtel wants to get it without a tender, that means no EU financing for C XI. Just like Transilvania Motorway here.
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Old October 21st, 2010, 09:17 PM   #1476
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Serbia doesn't get any EU financing anyway. They only get loans which they have to pay back with interest.
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Old October 21st, 2010, 10:10 PM   #1477
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Same was with Romania in 2004 when we signed "Bechtel" and now cannot get EU money for it as a result.

And BTW, there are pre-accession funds once a country becomes candidate. A lot of infrastructure works in Romania before 2007 were done with ISPA money. Bad news if you sign with Bechtel without a tender is that Romania might not get EU funds for the C XI corridor as well.

I think Serbia should wait for Italy's and Romania's lobby to get C XI into TEN-T and then get financing for it. There are some very tough sections (mountain areas) both in Serbia and Montenegro which will cost a lot. I do not know if the two countries will be able to finance those. And by the time you get to those sections, you'll be already a candidate country and would like to get to EU pre-accession funds.
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Serbia is not a candidate, yet, and most if not all road constructions are done with a tender.

Also, ironically, I don't see any EU help towards Serbia in the past 10 years, I've not yet seen one road with one of those "financed by the EU" signs, while I've seen several in Serbias neighbouring countries.
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That's what I am saying. Serbia may become a candidate in a few years (it's a good probability IMO), have ISPA financing opportunity, and if signs without a tender, EU will not finance the project.

BTW: Transylvania Motorway is the only infrastructure project in Romania without a tender.
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Old October 21st, 2010, 10:44 PM   #1480
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Well, we can give the Belgrade-Cacak section of Corridor 11 to Bechtel (or some other similar firm), while we await EU candidate status before continuing on with the much more demanding Cacak-Montenegro border section.
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