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Old March 8th, 2011, 11:43 AM   #1701
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On 26.03 I will be in Zenica for football game Bosnia- Romania.

Which is the best route between Belgrad and Sarajevo (without entering in Croatia) ?
Belgrade-Cacak-Uzice-Visegrad-Sarajevo.
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Old March 8th, 2011, 03:55 PM   #1702
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Belgrade's new Sava river bridge - February update:























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Old March 8th, 2011, 09:47 PM   #1703
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I think this bridge looks very nice.

Maybe it's open for traffic in summer this year? That's maybe means motorway all the way from Budapest to Belgrade?
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Old March 8th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #1704
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Belgrade-Cacak-Uzice-Visegrad-Sarajevo.
No way!
Beograd - Sabac - Loznica - Zvornik - Vlasenica - Sokolac - Sarajevo

And if you want to go to Zenica than: Beograd - Kuzmin - Bijeljina - Brcko - Obudovac - Samac - Doboj - Zenica
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Old March 10th, 2011, 12:50 PM   #1705
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The Sava Bridge February 2011.

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Old March 13th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #1706
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coming from Slovenia going to Romania.
wich is the best way to go?
Someone can tell me a calculator for the toll on serbian motorways?
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Old March 13th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #1707
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Where do you go in Romania?
I know I did a little research one, from Timisoara to Ljubljana, the time on the road was kind of the same if you go Ljubljana-Zagreb-Belgrade-Timisoara or Ljubljana-Budapest-Timisoara. The latter had the advantage of traveling only in EU (also Schengen), so it could be quicker, also should be cheaper, buying only the HU-vignette. A friend of mine did this route.

http://goo.gl/maps/aj2i
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=46....5&q2=timisoara

But it's important where you want to go in Romania, for example if you want Oradea, I would say go through HU, if you want something more south, maybe HR and SRB should be quicker.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 01:01 PM   #1708
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I've to go to Bozovici, so entering in Romania on Naidas, i suppose...
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Old March 13th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #1709
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I've to go to Bozovici, so entering in Romania on Naidas, i suppose...
Indeed. In that case I think SLO --> HR --> SRB --> RO would be the logical choice.

Pay very much attention: for Romania you should buy a vignette (Rovinieta) not only on motorways but even when you drive on national routes (like Naidăş-Oraviţa-Bozovici)! I know, it's stupid, but that's the way it is. Plus, the road is still under rehabilitation so some sections are in poor condition.
For a car the cheapest Rovinieta is 7 Eur/30 days.

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Old March 13th, 2011, 03:05 PM   #1710
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Digest route:

SLO ---> via E70 --> HR --> SRB --> Through Belgrade (Be careful, because Gazela bridge over Sava is under reconstruction, so there will be some road restrictions) --> Pančevo bridge --> Vršac road --> Uljma --> Bela Crkva --> Kaluđerovo --> Romania

Toll through Serbia: Šid - Šimanovci is 3,5 EUR for cars. There is no toll from Belgrade to Romanian border
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Old March 13th, 2011, 04:51 PM   #1711
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It's under construction and, as our authorities said, part from Horgos to Novi sad will be completed in March 2011. Only Beska bridge on Danube will be completed during 2012.
Hello. I will on 27 march will drive from Netherlands to Turkey, Antalya So i can eat Antalya babana
My route:
Germany; A31, A3 --
Austria; Linz, Wien --
Hungary; Gyor, Budapest, Szeged --
Serbia; E75 Hogros, Subotica, Novi sad, beograd to Macedonia --
Macedonia
Greece; Selanik, Kavala, Dedeagac, border Turkey

Tips are well come. How far is the way from Horgos to Novi sad? it's march now.
I have a lease car, is this a problem? I hava paper from lease in englisch and german.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 05:32 PM   #1712
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Hello. I will on 27 march will drive from Netherlands to Turkey, Antalya So i can eat Antalya babana
My route:
Germany; A31, A3 --
Austria; Linz, Wien --
Hungary; Gyor, Budapest, Szeged --
Serbia; E75 Hogros, Subotica, Novi sad, beograd to Macedonia --
Macedonia
Greece; Selanik, Kavala, Dedeagac, border Turkey

Tips are well come. How far is the way from Horgos to Novi sad? it's march now.
I have a lease car, is this a problem? I hava paper from lease in englisch and german.
Maybe, the drive directly via Bulgaria (Nis-Kalotina-Sofia-Plovdiv-Edirne) is the shorter route - if you compare it with the route via Macedonia and Greece. You would have to decide about it when you arrive in Nis/Serbia.

The route via Hungary will be a bit cheaper and faster in comparison with the alternative route through Austrian Alps (tolled tunnels) and Slovenia/Croatia (tolled motorways).

In Austria, you would bypass Vianna via the motorways A21 and S1. If I note any alternative route - to Gyoer - the suggestion might be following...: A30 - Osnabrueck - A2 - Hannover - Magdeburg - A14 - Leipzig - A4 - Dresden - A17 - D/CZ - D8 - Prague - D1 - Brno - D2 - CZ/SK - Bratislava - SK/HU - M15 - Mosonmagyarovár - M1 - Gyoer...
But the route via Austria - IMO - is certainly all right and the right choice for you as well.

I do not know if - for example - there are any troubles with the translation of that document at Serbian borders etc.....
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Old March 13th, 2011, 08:20 PM   #1713
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I don't think you can have problems at the serbian border but you may have some problems at the turkish one. It's better to translate your paper in turkish also. I also would suggest the route through Bulgaria, less km's and less borders.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 09:19 PM   #1714
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Hello. I will on 27 march will drive from Netherlands to Turkey, Antalya So i can eat Antalya babana
My route:
Germany; A31, A3 --
Austria; Linz, Wien --
Hungary; Gyor, Budapest, Szeged --
Serbia; E75 Hogros, Subotica, Novi sad, beograd to Macedonia --
Macedonia
Greece; Selanik, Kavala, Dedeagac, border Turkey

Tips are well come. How far is the way from Horgos to Novi sad? it's march now.
I have a lease car, is this a problem? I hava paper from lease in englisch and german.

Well, you are on the right place, because I was driving from Serbia to Antalya several times.

1. From Horgoš to Novi sad there is 110 km. There is only 2 x 10 km of completed motorway and the rest of the route is still under construction. So, 80 km/h limit, 1+1 lane. 3,5 EUR toll. There is no problem with leased car. English paper is enough.

2. From Novi Sad to Belgrade is motorway, excluding Beška bridge over Danube. 2,5 EUR toll.

3. Through Belgrade pay attention on Gazela bridge over Sava, because it's under reconstruction, so there will be some driving restrictions. Just follow directions to Niš.

4. Belgrade to Niš, full motorway. 7.5 EUR toll.

5. My advice is to go through Bulgaria. It's shorter and you have one border less. So, from Niš to BG border is 1+1 highway. 80 km/h limit. Be careful if you will drive during night, because it's pretty heavy traffic there and big trucks driving fast in curves.

6. Kalotina - Sofia, 1+1 highway. Be careful during night, because this section is not maintained well. There is no catadiopters and paint on the road is not in good conditions. BG vignette can be purchased on border crossing for, as I can remember, 5 EUR for 7 days.

7. When entering Sofia, just follow "околовръстен път" and go on Trakia motorway (A1).

8. From Sofia to Plovdiv, full motorway. Follow direction PLOVDIV, ISTANBUL.

9. From Plovdiv to Turkey border there is some motorway section, but mainly 1+1 through villages and towns. It's well organized, although pretty heavy traffic.

10. Kapitan Andreevo/Kapikule border crossing is very big and well organized. I don't think that there will be problem with leased car, because a lot of Turks going home to Turkey have leased car. It's only important for them, that you exit Turkey with same car that you drove in. They will stamp your passport twice. Entry stamp and "car stamp". Same procedure when going home backwards. Because in Turkey gasoline is very expensive, fill your tank to top in Bulgaria. There is some "duty free" petrol station with cheap gas.

11. Turkey otoyol (motorway), one of the finest motorways I was driving at. Three lanes + shoulders. Follow directions to Çanakkale. Toll is around 1 EUR. When you arrive to Eceabat, take ferry to Çanakkale. It's 15 EUR per car. No passenger tickets. If you want to take a break, Çanakkale is best place to do so. Cheap and clean hotels with parking lots.

12. From Çanakkale go towards Izmir. Some of that road is dual carriageway and on some sections is 1+1.

13. From Izmir you have motorway to Aydin. I can't recall toll price, but it was very cheap.

14. From Aydin take 1+1 road to Denizli

15. From Denizli, beautiful mountain road to Antalya.

Have a nice trip, and feel free to ask some more questions.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #1715
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The route through Bulgaria may be shorter in km's, but I don't think it will make much of a time difference to the one through Greece (I even think it may take longer, depending on your vehicle, traffic and the conditions on the road) because in Greece you have a motorway/highway while from Nis to Bulgaria and in Bulgaria you will mostly travel on small roads that are often not in a good condition and which you have to share with trucks and heavy traffic, which means you will have to drive much slower.

And there's also the safety factor, highways are much safer than small roads. Not to mention convenience and orientation, such a long drive is exhausting all by itself, but driving on the highway, even in rain, is much more relaxing (less exhausting) than on small, bad roads with heavy traffic where you have to be 100% alert all time and which can have you sweaty and sitting on the edge of your seat in less than half an hour, and if it rains (It's march after all, not august ) everything gets 10 times worse, the visibility is low, the road is bad and narrow, trucks that cut corners everywhere and people that drive like maniacs means you'll probably be driving 60 instead of 80...if even that. Which means you travel a lot longer.

Plus orientation on a highway is better, with big and clear signs. If it was me, I would go through Greece. I've driven the route from Nis through Bulgaria before, and it was not a pleasant experience. Even though it was summer. I, personally, wouldn't want to do it in March. Why some Bulgarian Forumers think that they have to recommend you to drive through Bulgaria (what do they think they'll gain from it?!) is beyond me. Stay on the highways and you'll have a good drive. It's thousands of km's after all. There are good Motels in Germany, Austria (they're called Raststätte or Rasthaus, some of them have rooms) and Serbia (Motel), so you won't have to do it all non-stop and will arrive safely.
There's no point in dying or loosing half your life's worth of nerves over a few hours of your life.

Wish you a safe trip!
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Old March 15th, 2011, 04:15 AM   #1716
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The route over Macedonia and Greece is 250 km longer.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 06:11 AM   #1717
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Longer means exactly nothing, if you travel faster. That's why we use the 40km ring-roads where you can drive 120 instead of going straight through a city, which is only 15km's long, but will take you over an hour because the average travelling speed is 30-40km/h. So it takes you three times longer. The same could apply/happen here. You guys are saying the "but that way is longer" line like it would automatically mean that it will also take him longer, which is not true. I'd rather spend the same amount of time driving on a highway than on bumpy backroads, even if the km's travelled are more, I don't feel them if my travelling time is the same or even quicker. The percentage of time he will spend on highways is probably a lot higher if he goes through Greece. In the end, that's just my opinion.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 10:24 AM   #1718
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Longer means exactly nothing, if you travel faster. That's why we use the 40km ring-roads where you can drive 120 instead of going straight through a city, which is only 15km's long, but will take you over an hour because the average travelling speed is 30-40km/h. So it takes you three times longer. The same could apply/happen here. You guys are saying the "but that way is longer" line like it would automatically mean that it will also take him longer, which is not true. I'd rather spend the same amount of time driving on a highway than on bumpy backroads, even if the km's travelled are more, I don't feel them if my travelling time is the same or even quicker. The percentage of time he will spend on highways is probably a lot higher if he goes through Greece. In the end, that's just my opinion.
I don't think you have more km's of motorways by going through Greece. In Serbia, Macedonia and Greece the motorway is not finished yet. The route Nis-Bulgaria-Istanbul-Antalya is the one which goes most of the time on 2+2 roads. From Edirne to Antalya you travel only on 2+2 roads.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 02:31 PM   #1719
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250km more means more than 20l of gas more to buy. And gas is quite expensive in Greece. Moreover, motorways in Macedonia and Greece are tolled, in Bulgaria they are free.

But he has a head on his shoulders-he can decide whatever he likes.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 04:59 PM   #1720
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Second phase of reconstruction work on Gazella bridge, Belgrade's busiest, has begun today...



Also, work on Belgrade's ring-road was supposed to continue today as well.
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