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Old February 17th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #241
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Melbourne still runs some old Hitachi trains from the 1960's. They are probably our most 'metro' style trains in that they have straps to hold on to for standing passengers and a fair bit of standing space. They don't have air con however, so they're not the most comfortable trains to ride.

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Yer...Melbourne still runs some old Hitachi trains from the 1960's... except that Hitachis were manufactured from 1972 and the last ones were rolled out in 1982 (after some of the the first Comeng trains were produced) The are a much more reliable train, constantly being called on in summer to run when the modern trains air conditioners collapse in the heat
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Old February 17th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #242
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Maybe with a decent rehabilitation/modernisation, they could be on the tracks for a little longer.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 11:54 AM   #243
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Just happened to see these on youtube
If you need to solve any complex problem, you need science and researching. To make good and reliable rail based system, 1 or 2 years isn`t enough.

Are there in Australia transport high school anywhere? Any railway need researching and development institutions or sections in company.

The trams in Melburn are old conception of trams, with mostly street running, short distances between stations and standing on traffic lights. Are there plans to rebuilt some lines in light rail standards, or to make some underground tram sections?
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Old February 18th, 2011, 03:18 AM   #244
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JR East has a large R&D facility, and so should Metro.

Problem is that the are people within the system who believe:
-their positions should remain unchanged
-they believe all solutions should be home engineered (Mentality is: Why should we accept help from o/seas? Or who are they to tell us how to run our system better?)
-strong reluctance for change from unions
-union/management relationship is too intertwined
-lack of management/change positions (you only get to move up if someone dies or retires)

Add this with a decades if not century old railway system and you’ll have problems keeping up with the times.

Now this is not to say unions and management are not doing a good job, they certainly do what they can with what they’ve got, but there are elements that can be improved.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #245
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I Think Melbourne Metro is pretty small fish compared to JR East.

My Dad- now dead- used to work in a Lab that solved technical problems for the then Victorian Railways, though I doubt they did much of what you'd call "R&D".

I draw your attention to the former British Rail's facility at Derby. All this stuff is outsourced now: if it works, you won't hear about it. If it doesn't work, as with the Siemens brakes on the Melbourne Metro system, it will be used as a political football. That stuff above about people, Unions & Management is basically ... uninformed.

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If you need to solve any complex problem, you need science and researching. To make good and reliable rail based system, 1 or 2 years isn`t enough.

Are there in Australia transport high school anywhere? Any railway need researching and development institutions or sections in company.

The trams in Melburn are old conception of trams, with mostly street running, short distances between stations and standing on traffic lights. Are there plans to rebuilt some lines in light rail standards, or to make some underground tram sections?
Mistranslation here, Rail_Serbia: and no-one here would take Channel 7 News seriously. These trams travel for many kilometres on their own independent tracks. Channel 7 journalists have probably never travelled on public transport in their lives.

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Incidentally, there's probably enough concrete sleepers laid out in waiting between here and the city to build a staircase to the moon: but though they'll claim it, I wouldn't give the current government credit for that.

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Old April 15th, 2011, 03:24 PM   #246
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Despite the small amounts of segregated track on Melbourne's tram network, there is no denying that the vast majority of the network isn't segregated from traffic.
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Old May 7th, 2011, 02:34 PM   #247
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I can't quote distances here, but apart from the routes than run (in part) on their own right-of-ways, there are sections of track which occupy a separate median strip, and increasingly, a number of places where the tramtracks are separated from other traffic by raised barriers separating road traffic from the trams. Also a few street blocks in the city which are tram- and horse-carriage- only.

I'd be loathe to put any figure on this until I'd measured it: but it isn't minimal.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 06:21 AM   #248
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The amount of segregated running is minimal in comparison to the amount of on-street / mixed traffic running though. You only need to look at the average service speed of the system to see that its still painfully slow
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Old July 26th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #249
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Despite the small amounts of segregated track on Melbourne's tram network, there is no denying that the vast majority of the network isn't segregated from traffic.
I'd challenge that now.

Whatver the term "vast" means, it is much less than before.

No doubt we'll get real figures soon ...
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Old July 27th, 2011, 04:44 PM   #250
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Despite the small amounts of segregated track on Melbourne's tram network, there is no denying that the vast majority of the network isn't segregated from traffic.
I've done a bit of research on this:

The tram network in Melbourne has c. 68 km of double-tracked separate route, comprising:
  • 7km of converted heavy-rail line route (including the first railway line in Australia)
  • 9.3 km of route "off road": either beside a road, or, at times, totally on it's own route (e.g. through Royal Park past the Zoo)
  • 1.3 km of route now running along dedicated "malls" from which private traffic has been excluded;
  • 14.5 km of route running along separate tramways, generally within Avenues on wide "boulevards"

    Examples: Victoria Parade:



    St Georges Rd. Northcote: the real danger here was the bike path in the bushes in on the right, where I previously believe one of the tramtracks to have been positioned:



  • 16 km of route along dedicated tracks in the outer suburbs: mainly in broad median strips

    (sorry no photos here!)
  • 20 km of route separated from neighbouring traffic by fences, raised road levels where the tram tracks are placed, or barriers- generally concrete but on occasion steel: disabling vehicles form venturing onto the tram tracks.

    Examples: Spencer St. (raised road level):



    Clarendon St.: (fenced off):



    Flinders St.: a bit of both:



All this amounts to 25-30% of the system (assuming Yarra Trams have measured "route mileage" the same way I have), bu at least during recent developments, has focused on the most heavily-used portions of the system. Whether the remainder amounts to the "vast majority" of the system is for others to say.
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Old July 27th, 2011, 04:48 PM   #251
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I would class 70-75% of a system not being grade separated to be a vast majority, wouldn't you?

Thank you for providing exact figures on this though.
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Old July 27th, 2011, 08:29 PM   #252
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I would class 70-75% of a system not being grade separated to be a vast majority, wouldn't you?

Thank you for providing exact figures on this though.
I still reckon 68 km of segregated track-way on what is essentially the secondary public transport system in Melbourne to be a good outcome.

I've shifted this particular issue to where it should be: Trammelbourne

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Old July 29th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #253
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If you need to solve any complex problem, you need science and researching. To make good and reliable rail based system, 1 or 2 years isn`t enough.

Are there in Australia transport high school anywhere? Any railway need researching and development institutions or sections in company.

The trams in Melburn are old conception of trams, with mostly street running, short distances between stations and standing on traffic lights. Are there plans to rebuilt some lines in light rail standards, or to make some underground tram sections?
I know this is an old quote, but perhaps this the source of some of the confusion here in the last 12 months.

no there probably isn't any "transport high school" in Australia.

The Tram Network has about 68- more like 70 km of separated route (as against track) out of 228 km of route: much of which my not be immediately evident to the international visitor, especially in the inner suburbs. Some is converted rail system.

Melbourne Metro Rail System is something different to that: for a start, it runs on a different gauge. (1600mm v. 1435mm).

Melbourne Metro Tram system (Yarra Trams): here.

Melbourne Metro Rail system: right here.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #254
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Old January 28th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #255
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Whole new defintion to barrier-free metro.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #256
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AUSTRALIA-MELBOURNE flinders st station competition 1 million dollars

There is an international competition going on that includes a new metro station. Details about the project can be found on the website:

www.majorprojects.vic.gov.au

The existing station is over 100 years old.

Some entrance ideas...

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Old March 27th, 2012, 04:52 PM   #257
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A recent newspaper article explaining what the government is looking for:

Peter Rolfe From: Sunday Herald Sun March 25, 2012

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A MAJOR new Melbourne underground train station, to be called CBD South, has been included in plans to redevelop Flinders St station.


Victoria's busiest train station will be rebuilt, significantly expanded and transformed into a food and entertainment precinct under a bold blueprint to return the Melbourne landmark to its former glory.

CBD South station would be built near the intersection of Flinders and Swanston streets as the hub of a London tube-style rail line in the heart of Melbourne, a Baillieu Government plan reveals.

It would be a major part of the Melbourne Metro underground first proposed in 2008.

In the biggest revamp in the station's century-old history, its capacity would be more than doubled and its proximity to the Yarra River and Melbourne's CBD better utilised.

The Government will issue a statement to architects and designers worldwide this week listing its focus points for redevelopment of the station.

A statement of key objectives handed to Premier Ted Baillieu on Friday and obtained by the Sunday Herald Sun reveals the design criteria set by the Government.

Platforms currently limited to six-carriage trains and a length of 160m are to be extended to 230m, capable of accommodating nine-carriage trains.

Architects will be asked to breathe new life into the once grand ballroom above the station, the Banana Alley vaults and the milk dock at the end of platform one.

The 28-page report sets the tone for the revamp, striking a balance between retaining the station's heritage character and the need to build a bigger precinct to cater to future needs.

It reveals the station's capacity will be expanded from 150,000 commuters a day to 400,000 per day by 2021.

The report, by Major Projects Victoria, focuses on improving transport, commuter access and further developing the western side of the precinct.
Read it here
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Old March 27th, 2012, 10:48 PM   #258
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I hope it will stay that beautiful.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #259
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competition objectives can be found here:

http://www.majorprojects.vic.gov.au/...mpetition/home

http://www.majorprojects.vic.gov.au/...March-2012.pdf

latest news:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226309080722
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Old May 5th, 2012, 02:23 AM   #260
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April 22 2012 - South Morang railway station opened in the northern suburbs of Melbourne.


source: http://ptv.vic.gov.au/maps-stations-...trains/train/5


source: http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/vi...=66934#p783844


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