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Old October 8th, 2007, 02:23 PM   #121
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From the same source, and closer to the original topic ...

For Gappa& Justme: the lines that were built that enabled Melbourne to extend so profligately to the SE (about 1870):



One comment however: there's lot's of Melbourne that has expanded ten or more kilometres beyond the nearest railway station.

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The Bendigo railway line is an example of a line that was built without worrying about the cost. Barely a few years after the founding of what is now Bendigo, the government was building a line to the area of such a standard that 150 years later historians were still debating how the young colony had commanded such engineering expertise.
For those interested in Tyson's comments: the Bendigo line was opened in 1862, just 11 years after the official foundation of the colony and the discovery of gold, and 27 years after the start of European settlement in Melbourne.

Some bridges enroute to Bendigo: only one of them has a train on it, to get some sense of scale.

Jackson's creek Viaduct (at Sunbury):



Taradale Viaduct:



Malmsbury Viaduct:

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Old October 10th, 2007, 04:42 PM   #122
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Richmond station receives so many passengers yet it is a horrible, dingy old station. Flinders street could also do with a makeover inside.
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Richmond might have a huge number of passengers using it, but it exists almost purely as an interchange station unless there's a sporting event.

That's why there are three sets of underground passageways linking the ten platforms, but only one of them is open to the outside world.
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IMO they should scrap Richmond station all together! Instead build a new station inbetween Melbourne park and the MCG, which would provide better and more convenient access to these venues, as well as continue it's use as a transfer station. East Richmond station would be renamed Richmond and have more services (unlike the none it virtually has now) as it is more centrally located for local access. The only people this disadvantages that I can see, are those who catch a connecting bus on Punt Rd. But it would only be a short Tram ride or walk away, or they could even detour the bus route to the new station.
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Old October 10th, 2007, 05:49 PM   #123
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I think the track arrangement is a bit complicated in that area and also the tunnel portals for the Caulfield Loop may be too close to be able to build platforms.

You could say it's only a short walk for people taking the connecting bus, but it's also a short walk for people heading to Melbourne Park or the MCG as well. In it's present location the station is at least close to shops and residences, while moving it closer to the city will isolate it. People have been walking between Richmond and the MCG for as long has each of them have been in existance.

It would be a suitable spot for an additional station for those facilities. Say just two platforms on the Sandringham line and just have trains stop there on event days. Better suited IMO because it connects with both Richmond and Flinders St regardless of which direction the loop is running.

Of course is it really worth it for people to change at one station just to take another train one stop?
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Old October 11th, 2007, 06:18 AM   #124
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I think the track arrangement is a bit complicated in that area and also the tunnel portals for the Caulfield Loop may be too close to be able to build platforms.

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It would be a suitable spot for an additional station for those facilities. Say just two platforms on the Sandringham line and just have trains stop there on event days. Better suited IMO because it connects with both Richmond and Flinders St regardless of which direction the loop is running.

Of course is it really worth it for people to change at one station just to take another train one stop?
A very convenient place for a station from the public's point of view, but I agree there would be engineering difficulties putting more than a couple of platforms there (apart from the Caufiled tunnel portals there's also the flyover on the Burnley lines to contend with): and if you have to change trains, given the multi-modal ticketing system, you might as well change to the tram.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #125
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Yeah those tunnels come out right where I'd put the station, hmmmmm. Maybe you could have a split level station, half underground? This will fit in nicely when the lines are built over in Richmond and beyond to Glen Waverly.

This photo has part of Melbourne's train system in it - so I'll post it here.

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Old November 14th, 2007, 11:14 PM   #126
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Here is the interior of one of Melb's Comeng trains. This layout has the most seats, which has been a problem lately as trains have been overfull, so there's talk of removing some to make more standing room. Another layout I've seen has more standing room near the doors, as well as fold-up bench style seats of a different colour. All the Comeng interiors were refitted recently.

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And here we see the platforms inside Flinders Street Station from the Swanston St concourse.

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There has been alot of talk over the years about covering all lines and platforms with one giant roof, or even a shopping centre or market. Obviously nothing has come of it yet.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 12:25 AM   #127
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Melbourne still runs some old Hitachi trains from the 1960's. They are probably our most 'metro' style trains in that they have straps to hold on to for standing passengers and a fair bit of standing space. They don't have air con however, so they're not the most comfortable trains to ride.

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Old November 17th, 2007, 02:47 AM   #128
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I'm guessing that's you Gappa?
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Old November 17th, 2007, 10:19 AM   #129
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There has been alot of talk over the years about covering all lines and platforms with one giant roof, or even a shopping centre or market. Obviously nothing has come of it yet.
I'm sure that Melbourne isnt lacking greenspace...but hey, how about a(nother) park?

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I'm guessing that's you Gappa?
Nope, gappa's taking the photo not appearing in it.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 05:12 PM   #131
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I'm sure that Melbourne isnt lacking greenspace...but hey, how about a(nother) park?

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It's probably unlikely that anything will ever be built over the station in the next couple of decades. I don't think an elevated park would look quite right anyway.

Here's a photo by Planks & Sticks - immediately east of Federation Square, which will be most likely be the next section of railway south of the CBD to be built over.

The gantries holding the overhead lines are also a more modern design which don't extend as high as the original 1920s design used on the other side of the bridge in the background.

To the west of the CBD, there are sections of railway line (and a major road) which are slated to be built over in a similar fashion as part of the Docklands project, with plenty of progress being made so far. The plan is that eventually, the bridge over the railway will just look like a small hill.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #132
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Good combination of text and pic
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They don't have air con however, so they're not the most comfortable trains to ride.
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With such face it looks really "Comfortable"
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Old November 20th, 2007, 08:13 AM   #133
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It's probably unlikely that anything will ever be built over the station in the next couple of decades. I don't think an elevated park would look quite right anyway. <> The plan is that eventually, the bridge over the railway will just look like a small hill.
taking a look at your photo, the railway lines are lower than the road and buildings on both sides...

so the park "if built" would look like a gentle rolling hill, rising slightly like an embankment/...

ah well, some green space then, and some development...

green roofs will be very beneficial to all cities.

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Old November 22nd, 2007, 05:46 AM   #134
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Yeah, but that's not the area above Flinders St station that we were talking about before - as I said, that area is planned for redevelopment but it's unlikely that there will be a park there since a new park was opened a few years ago immediately to the south (right) of that photo, behind the carpark.

It would look weird at Flinders St station because that's where the elevation changes as the railway lines move closer to the river bank and actually becomes an elevated railway. It's not that noticeable, but at the main entrance under the dome, you have to go down escalators to reach the platforms whereas at the other entrance under the clock tower, you walk straight onto the platform from the street and have to use underground passageways to access the other platforms.

Reference - gappa's photo - the main entrance is behind the location where the photo was taken.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/...652678d3_b.jpg

There's already quite a lot of parkland in the nearby area anyway (prev. area marked in red)
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 10:55 AM   #135
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good point.

thanks for the info.

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Old December 23rd, 2007, 03:43 AM   #136
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Here's some photos of Parliament Station:

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Rumour has it that it is the deepest station and has the longest set of escalators in the southern hemisphere. Maybe someone can check that out?
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 05:11 AM   #137
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It must be pretty close to being the deepest in the southern hemisphere, the lowest platforms are 38m below street level, by no means close to the surface.
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Here's some more photos of train stations. In this case Prahran and South Yarra.

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Oh yes, and one of the interior of the entrance to Flinders St:

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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:20 PM   #139
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This is Camberwell Station showing a part of platform 1 and the adjacent train stabling yard.

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