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Old March 15th, 2012, 10:03 PM   #2181
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I doubt there's enough density to warrant investing so much money tunnelling through the Rockies!
But it is major corridor between two of the fastest growing cities in Canada. Some of Swiss or Italian valleys don't have density either but it is all about transit.
Looking at the map it looks like more than half of the corridor is already freeway standard. Logically the rest should be upgraded too.
What is the point of freeway from Calgary to Lake Louise if you then dump all the traffic into the narrow mountain road?
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Old March 16th, 2012, 04:47 AM   #2182
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But it is major corridor between two of the fastest growing cities in Canada. Some of Swiss or Italian valleys don't have density either but it is all about transit.
Looking at the map it looks like more than half of the corridor is already freeway standard. Logically the rest should be upgraded too.
What is the point of freeway from Calgary to Lake Louise if you then dump all the traffic into the narrow mountain road?
But there is plenty of other traffic from neighbouring countries going through Switzerland into Italy. France and Germany not that far away after all.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #2183
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There are only 5,000 - 2,500 vehicles per day between Kamloops and the border with Alberta. That hardly justifies long tunnels. Most major connections in the Alps carry 15,000 - 25,000 vehicles per day. Money like that is better spent in the Vancouver metropolitan area and its appalling road network.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #2184
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There are only 5,000 - 2,500 vehicles per day between Kamloops and the border with Alberta. That hardly justifies long tunnels. Most major connections in the Alps carry 15,000 - 25,000 vehicles per day. Money like that is better spent in the Vancouver metropolitan area and its appalling road network.
Less than 5000 vehicles a day? Wow that's much lower than I expected. It seems like BC and Alberta are much less integrated than I though. Isn't there much trade going on between them? How good are delivered to booming Alberta from the Vancouver area harbours?
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Old March 16th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #2185
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Less than 5000 vehicles a day? Wow that's much lower than I expected. It seems like BC and Alberta are much less integrated than I though. Isn't there much trade going on between them? How good are delivered to booming Alberta from the Vancouver area harbours?
My guess is rail. I don't think it's feasible for trucks to ship all the grains from the Prairies to the coast.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 06:27 PM   #2186
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My guess is rail. I don't think it's feasible for trucks to ship all the grains from the Prairies to the coast.
Obviously not grain, but how about all the consumer goods from Asia which rich Alberta is buying?
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Old March 17th, 2012, 07:41 AM   #2187
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Obviously not grain, but how about all the consumer goods from Asia which rich Alberta is buying?
I'm not at all surprised if it's also transported by rail, since the containers of consumer goods coming in from Asia can easily fit into a long train that drops off cargo as it heads east.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:24 AM   #2188
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Considering how fast economies and populations of Alberta and BC are growing they should start thinking about continuous freeway from Vancouver to Calgary.
It is of course challenging project but in Alpine countries roads are build across difficult terrain for years now.
Come on guys, get some Swiss or Austrian engineering firms and let's go.
They are working on it, though it won't be all freeway (motorway). Currently, the freeway runs from the ferry terminal at Horseshoe Bay and ends in Kamloops at the interchange of HWY 1 (Trans Canada) and HWY 5 (Yellowhead). East of this, the highway is mostly divided, but not freeway, with the exceptions of a few very short stretches. The divided highway currently ends at the interchange of HWY 1 and BC HWY 97 South. However, 4 laning (non-freeway) is currently being undertaken from here to Pritchard and eventually on to Chase. Other works are being carried out both east and west of Golden, as well as west of the Icefeilds Parkway. I'll try to get the links up shortly.
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There are only 5,000 - 2,500 vehicles per day between Kamloops and the border with Alberta. That hardly justifies long tunnels. Most major connections in the Alps carry 15,000 - 25,000 vehicles per day. Money like that is better spent in the Vancouver metropolitan area and its appalling road network.
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Less than 5000 vehicles a day? Wow that's much lower than I expected. It seems like BC and Alberta are much less integrated than I though. Isn't there much trade going on between them? How good are delivered to booming Alberta from the Vancouver area harbours?
That's not quite true. There is more than that, though at this time of year, not by much. The volume really picks up in the summer when the tourists hit the road in hordes.
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Old March 21st, 2012, 12:41 PM   #2189
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 08:05 AM   #2191
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Too bad the 2010 Olympics weren't in Revelstoke or Golden. It would be 4 lanes all the way to Vancouver.
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Old March 24th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #2192
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Too bad the 2010 Olympics weren't in Revelstoke or Golden. It would be 4 lanes all the way to Vancouver.
However the Sea to Sky Highway despirately needed those upgrades though even if the Olympics did not take place because of a high number of fatalities and head on collisions on the roadway.
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Old March 24th, 2012, 12:58 AM   #2193
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That's nonsense; you're merely referring to its multitude of daft drivers ... (scarring!!! ) highway expansion to soothe inept motorists :pfft:
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Old March 24th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #2194
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Actually highway improvement has been proven to be by far the most effective way of reducing traffic fatalities. Specifically divided and grade-separated highways (freeways) are multiple times safer than two-lane roads, undivided 4-lane highways (poor-boy highways) or urban multi-lane arterials.

You don't get safer roads by demanding people should just be more careful.
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Old March 24th, 2012, 06:28 AM   #2195
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Highway 99, the sole direct road between the Olympic host communities, is a route of many names. On its signs, it is the Sea-to-Sky Highway. In the past, many British Columbians called it the death highway. And its propensity to be blocked by massive rockslides leads some to call it the Sea-to-Slide

Narrow, hilly and riddled with sharp curves, the transportation backbone of the Vancouver Games was this province’s ultimate white-knuckle drive. On a recent trip up the Sea-to-Sky, Rob Ahola, the engineer who supervised its pre-Olympic makeover, agreed that the road deserved its reputation.

“It had a very high accident rate,” he said. “But the severity of the crashes was also exceptional.”

From 1998 to 2004, when the rebuilding began, the Sea-to-Sky averaged 574 accidents a year, about 300 more a year than comparable highways in the province. During the same period, about eight people were killed each year.

A Canadian government study found 123 reports of the highway being blocked by rockslides, flooding or snow avalanches since its opening in 1958. A 13-day blockage in 1990 ultimately forced an evacuation of stranded tourists from Whistler by ship and helicopter. Cars have been crushed by boulders and, on at least two occasions, have plunged into the sea.

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New York Times: Olympic Thrill Ride, Mostly on 4 Wheels
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There has been a dramatic drop in the number of crashes on the Sea-to-Sky Highway since the twisting mountain route was upgraded for the Olympics last year, according to the Ministry of Transportation

For years, fatal head-on-crashes and long closures were tragically common along the 125-kilometer section of Highway 99 that links Vancouver with Whistler. Between 1998 and 2007 63 people died on the Sea-to-Sky Highway.

But according to figures released on Friday there were 73 crashes in 2010 — a drop of 66 per cent from the average of 215 each year in the previous decade.

The ministry says it wants three years of statistics before determining just how much more safe the Sea-to-Sky Highway is to drive.

But Whistler Councillor Chris Quinlan says the numbers should answer critics who believed spending $600 million to build barriers, widen and straighten the highway wouldn't make it any safer.

"Well [people said] if they make it faster, people will just drive faster and there will be more accidents, but that hasn't happened, because the enforcement's been there, and it's just a much safer highway," he said.

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CBC News: Sea-to-Sky Highway crashes drop 66%

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Old March 24th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #2196
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Real wildlife over superficial breed is more the "case"
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Old April 9th, 2012, 03:07 AM   #2197
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The 25 bridge is now opened. Its a 6 lanes bridge and a lenght of 3/4 mile


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Old April 9th, 2012, 03:31 AM   #2198
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Where is it?
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Old April 9th, 2012, 03:46 AM   #2199
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Where is it?
Montreal, hell yeah!
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Old April 9th, 2012, 10:15 AM   #2200
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It's the A25 bridge which opened in May 2011:

route @ Google Maps

Nice to see some Québec
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