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Old October 11th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #2281
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It's not the widest bridge in the world, but it may be the widest cable-stayed bridge.

The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge in New York has 12 lanes, but it's a suspension bridge. The Van Brienenoord Bridge in Rotterdam has 12 lanes, but it's an arch bridge. There are probably more 12+ lane bridges in the world.
The BC Govt maintains that with a width of 65 metres it is the widest bridge of any type in the world. "Urbanists" who are shills for downtown real estate interests call the claim "embarassing".

http://www.pmh1project.com/in-your-c...s/default.aspx
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Old October 11th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #2282
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The Van Brienenoord Bridge in Rotterdam, Netherlands is slightly wider, but it's not a single deck (two visually identical bridges of different eras jointed together)
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Old October 16th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #2283
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On Sunday I was on a tour showcasing infrastructure improvements in Mississauga, Ontario (a city next to Toronto and larger than Detroit). One of the projects showcased was a 'lane doubling' of Highway 401 which included the expansion of an interchange with Hurontario Street, the 'main street' of Mississauga.

It wasn't the greatest day weather-wise but I did manage to take a bunch of pics of the construction work. You can view them here if interested: http://www.dropbox.com/sh/2e5lsmi0w5136v1/4-MyPtLO09
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Old October 17th, 2012, 08:38 AM   #2284
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On Sunday I was on a tour showcasing infrastructure improvements in Mississauga, Ontario (a city next to Toronto and larger than Detroit). One of the projects showcased was a 'lane doubling' of Highway 401 which included the expansion of an interchange with Hurontario Street, the 'main street' of Mississauga.

It wasn't the greatest day weather-wise but I did manage to take a bunch of pics of the construction work. You can view them here if interested: http://www.dropbox.com/sh/2e5lsmi0w5136v1/4-MyPtLO09
It has been 4 months now since when i was there the last time. And there it is the good old traffic jam there
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Old October 17th, 2012, 09:43 PM   #2285
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That SimCity interchange is awesome! My only gripe is that they are very wide in area.

A couple years ago, I drove on that interchange and accidentally went into 407, never paid the toll.
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Old October 19th, 2012, 04:24 AM   #2286
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That SimCity interchange is awesome! My only gripe is that they are very wide in area.

A couple years ago, I drove on that interchange and accidentally went into 407, never paid the toll.
haha LOL
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Old November 18th, 2012, 04:49 AM   #2287
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The BC Govt maintains that with a width of 65 metres it is the widest bridge of any type in the world. "Urbanists" who are shills for downtown real estate interests call the claim "embarassing".

http://www.pmh1project.com/in-your-c...s/default.aspx
It is the widest long span bridge.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 01:02 AM   #2288
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A local Vancouver news item on the opening of the new Port Mann Bridge, containing complaints by urbanists that it's all a mistake, the last one of it's kind, etc.

Also quoted is a genuine expert, Prof Lindsey of UBC



http://metronews.ca/news/vancouver/4...k-to-the-past/
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 12:27 PM   #2289
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The usual anti-freeway bla bla. They think the transportation policy of a few square kilometer downtown core can be copied to hundreds if not thousands of square kilometers of residential areas. Greater Vancouver is overwhelmingly suburban in character.

They do have a point though, that the Port Mann Bridge has overcapacity as long as the connecting road segments are not widened to at least 2x4 lanes. Vancouver has a stupid policy of having the third lane as an HOV lane while it is known they are only viable as a 5th lane or more. In fact, 50% of the 2+ HOV users are people who would have traveled together any way, thus not reducing the number of vehicles on the road. Approximately 1 million people are directly served by the heavily undercapacity Highway 1.

Vancouver has the worst highway system of any major metropolitan area in North America. There are only a few freeways and most of them do not exceed 4 or maybe 6 lanes. There are several missing links and large residential areas are not served by high-capacity roads, thus resulting in unacceptably high volumes on surface streets, generally unsuited for such traffic volumes. In fact, the average commute in Vancouver is longer than in Los Angeles.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:27 AM   #2290
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It took me 45 minutes to get out of Vancouver city limits (from Stanley Park to highway 99) on a Sunday evening at 9 pm. I can't imagine what it would be on a weekday at 6 pm

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=W...sz=13&t=m&z=13
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 03:36 AM   #2291
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It took me 45 minutes to get out of Vancouver city limits (from Stanley Park to highway 99) on a Sunday evening at 9 pm. I can't imagine what it would be on a weekday at 6 pm

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=W...sz=13&t=m&z=13
Wow, that's bad.
I could move faster even in London. Especially on Sunday evening.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 06:18 PM   #2292
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Pont de Québec turns 93 years today.

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Old December 6th, 2012, 06:42 AM   #2293
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The usual anti-freeway bla bla. They think the transportation policy of a few square kilometer downtown core can be copied to hundreds if not thousands of square kilometers of residential areas. Greater Vancouver is overwhelmingly suburban in character.

They do have a point though, that the Port Mann Bridge has overcapacity as long as the connecting road segments are not widened to at least 2x4 lanes. Vancouver has a stupid policy of having the third lane as an HOV lane while it is known they are only viable as a 5th lane or more. In fact, 50% of the 2+ HOV users are people who would have traveled together any way, thus not reducing the number of vehicles on the road. Approximately 1 million people are directly served by the heavily undercapacity Highway 1.

Vancouver has the worst highway system of any major metropolitan area in North America. There are only a few freeways and most of them do not exceed 4 or maybe 6 lanes. There are several missing links and large residential areas are not served by high-capacity roads, thus resulting in unacceptably high volumes on surface streets, generally unsuited for such traffic volumes. In fact, the average commute in Vancouver is longer than in Los Angeles.
Well said

Couldn't agree more
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Old December 6th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #2294
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The usual anti-freeway bla bla. They think the transportation policy of a few square kilometer downtown core can be copied to hundreds if not thousands of square kilometers of residential areas. Greater Vancouver is overwhelmingly suburban in character.

They do have a point though, that the Port Mann Bridge has overcapacity as long as the connecting road segments are not widened to at least 2x4 lanes. Vancouver has a stupid policy of having the third lane as an HOV lane while it is known they are only viable as a 5th lane or more. In fact, 50% of the 2+ HOV users are people who would have traveled together any way, thus not reducing the number of vehicles on the road. Approximately 1 million people are directly served by the heavily undercapacity Highway 1.

Vancouver has the worst highway system of any major metropolitan area in North America. There are only a few freeways and most of them do not exceed 4 or maybe 6 lanes. There are several missing links and large residential areas are not served by high-capacity roads, thus resulting in unacceptably high volumes on surface streets, generally unsuited for such traffic volumes. In fact, the average commute in Vancouver is longer than in Los Angeles.

I would generally agree with most of what you have said. You need to remember the governmental structure in Vancouver and district, where there are over twenty municipalities. Vancouver is governed by it's own special Vancouver Charter Act, which makes the City proper its own highways department. All of the other municipalities in the region are under the BC Min of Transportation and Highways for highways work and maintenance.

There's a second wrinkle. Translink, the transit agency for the region, is also responsible for "arterial roads", roads that are wide enough to be highways of a sort but just aren't classified that way by the BC Govt. So, for example, the Knight Street and Patullo Bridges are now Translink properties, not BC Govt properties, as is the new Golden Ears Bridge connecting Maple Ridge and Langley.

Vancouver taxpayer's face the highest real estate prices in Canada, and are reluctant to add to the cost of home or apartment ownership by paying higher property taxes for any purpose, including transportation infrastructure, be it highways or transit. As a result, every piece of infrastructure that does get built is argued about in extremely emotional terms, since it's seen as taking a major chunk out of a fairly small pool.

Your point about Vancouver having a thoroughly incomplete highway system is well taken. Vancouver's urbanists have made this their biggest single marketing schtick when selling $600-700 per square foot micro-condo-suites. They claim that all really progressive experts agree that Vancouver's absence of freeways is a major "livable city" blessing that will increase your property values, young man/woman, ... just as soon as you sign these papers!
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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #2295
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What makes a livable city is highly subjective and differs from person to person. I don't think transportation makes it to the top of the list for most, but it can be a factor. For some people it's low crime, for others it's a great bar/cultural/arts scene, for others it's affordable housing, low taxes and for others it's recreational options. For many it's a combination of several factors.

Most cities includes in the lists are significantly suburbanized and cities with substantial need for a decent road infrastructure.
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Old December 16th, 2012, 12:15 AM   #2296
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A30 Montréal Bypass, Québec province

A major Autoroute opening today in Québec Province. The final 30 kilometers of A30 opened to traffic today. This is partially a toll road because of the number of bridges and a tunnel.

Starting today, traffic from Toronto or Ottawa toward just about any other city than Montréal in Québec does not have to drive through the Montréal urban area anymore. It's a huge improvement for through traffic. A540 near Vaudreuil-Dorion is also renumbered to A30, this also eliminates the existence of two A540's in Québec. The former A30 around Salaberry-de-Valleyfield (a two-lane road and part autoroute) is renumbered to A530.

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Old December 16th, 2012, 04:39 PM   #2297
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A major Autoroute opening today in Québec Province. The final 30 kilometers of A30 opened to traffic today. This is partially a toll road because of the number of bridges and a tunnel.
A30 Montreal - First Look/Drivelapse by MorseCoach

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Old December 16th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #2298
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Do they 'keep right except when passing' everywhere in Canada like that?
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Old December 16th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #2299
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Do they 'keep right except when passing' everywhere in Canada like that?
On the contrary, this is what is logical and done in Europe, but I haven't seen this logic to be followed in Canada. (ie Toronto) And in the video you can see that the guy passes 2 or 3 trucks from the left.

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A30 Montreal - First Look/Drivelapse by MorseCoach

1,50 $ only? That's so cheap canadian standard.
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