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Old April 18th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #2401
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Two questions:

1) Where was that map published?

2) Do you have the full sized version of it?
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Old April 18th, 2013, 06:27 AM   #2402
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Two questions:

1) Where was that map published?

2) Do you have the full sized version of it?
Had to dig around online to find it. I had just used the image from a Bradford realtor's site.

1) The map is part of a larger map of the Greater Golden Horseshoe produced by the Neptis Foundation and originally published in 2004. I can't after a cursory look find the original report though.

2) Here you go:

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Old April 18th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #2403
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Thanks for posting this great map.

Any word on the proposed highway following the northern shore of Lake Erie? Linking the Niagara Falls area to I think St. Thomas/London area. How far has this idea progressed? Anyone have any potential routes?
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Old April 19th, 2013, 12:55 AM   #2404
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Thanks for posting this great map.

Any word on the proposed highway following the northern shore of Lake Erie? Linking the Niagara Falls area to I think St. Thomas/London area. How far has this idea progressed? Anyone have any potential routes?
There aren't really any improvements scheduled for Highway 3 north of Lake Erie. During the 1970s, a by-pass was planned for Aylmer at least, but seeing as most traffic along the Hwy 3 corridor is local, nothing has ever come of it.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #2405
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There has been talk of a freeway running the highway #3 route for year but I don't see it proceeding. It is needed but there are just too many other big fish to fry.

If they build anything new in SW Ontario I think it will be a 403 western extension to head towards London and hook up with the 402 at Strathroy. This would greatly relieve the traffic on the very busy 401 section from London to Woodstock but would also give northern Londoners and alternative to the 401.

Northern London is the fastest and most prosperous part of the city but to get to the 401 easily takes over half an hour to 45 minutes in rush hour. You are going southbound to meet up with a freeway that is heading Northeast. London has no urban freeways so it is a painful experience. Many people in the northern London going to Toronto actually take highway 4 North to Lucan and then head to Kitchener via Stratford. It is about the same amount of travel time but a far more relaxing drive. In rush hour it can actually be faster than heading down to the 401.

There is also the matter of the massive amount of transport traffic on the 401 and the road is already planned to be widened yet again to 4 lanes in easch direction which will be a very costly affair. Unlike the widening to 6 lanes, 8 lanes will require a massive reconfiguration of all the overpasses.

The 402 was never suppose to take the route it did but rather continue east past Strathroy to about one km north of London but the wealthy northern Londoners {lead by Labatt family} pulled their political strings and you have what you do today.

By building a northern route it would save the province having to 8 lane to London to Woodstock/403 section and provide much needed freeway access to northern London. Many don't realize how busy the 402 has become. 45% of the westbound traffic east of London exits at the 402 including 40% of the transport traffic.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #2406
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Why are these freeways in Kitchener not part of the 400-series?
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Old April 19th, 2013, 09:54 PM   #2407
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Basically the province designate a freeway a 400 series if it was designed to be a freeway from start to finish and not part of an already built highway.

The Conestoga Expressway in Kitchener/Waterloo is actually 3 different highways. 7/8 in the west, 7/85 in the central and 85 in the north. 8 continues to Hamilton. 7 goes to Guelph and 85 goes north to St. Jacobs.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 07:09 AM   #2408
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I never knew that about the 400 series as I've often wondered that myself.......interesting.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 04:53 AM   #2409
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Arent they municipally owned as well? Sort of how the DVP, Gardiner, and Licoln Alexander parkways are not 400 series highways. Then there is also the oddity of the QEW.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:25 AM   #2410
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It is already twinned all the way. I'm not sure if traffic levels justify full grade separation. What is the AADT there?
I drove Highway the length of Highway 11 four years ago and I don't recall it being twinned all the way. Between Thunder Bay and Hearst you could pretty much read a book and stay on cruise control as you can go 30 minutes without seeing another vehicle. The towns are each spaced a good 100-200 KMs apart
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:29 PM   #2411
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Arent they municipally owned as well? Sort of how the DVP, Gardiner, and Licoln Alexander parkways are not 400 series highways. Then there is also the oddity of the QEW.
No. Conestoga is still a provincial highway, similar to sections of highway 11 and 17 around Sudbury. QEW is also known as 451, but that is only used for administrative purposes.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 10:38 PM   #2412
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My idea for some sort of Highway 7/Halton-Peel Freeway/Bradford Bypass highway for the Toronto Area:



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Old April 25th, 2013, 01:35 AM   #2413
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I drove Highway the length of Highway 11 four years ago and I don't recall it being twinned all the way. Between Thunder Bay and Hearst you could pretty much read a book and stay on cruise control as you can go 30 minutes without seeing another vehicle. The towns are each spaced a good 100-200 KMs apart
But it is twinned between Saskatoon and Regina. I was answering question about that stretch.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #2414
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My idea for some sort of Highway 7/Halton-Peel Freeway/Bradford Bypass highway for the Toronto Area:



Direct link: http://i.imgur.com/FGj4KHF.jpg
That was one of the options for the gta west corridor. Now they have gotten rid of the direct route from Brampton to Guelph, and instead the main option is to loop around Brampton and met up with the 401 just west of the 407.

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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:14 PM   #2415
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I made a recreation of the 401/403/410 interchange near Toronto in SimCity 4. Hope you like it!



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Old April 27th, 2013, 02:42 PM   #2416
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Old May 1st, 2013, 10:54 PM   #2417
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Basically the province designate a freeway a 400 series if it was designed to be a freeway from start to finish and not part of an already built highway.

The Conestoga Expressway in Kitchener/Waterloo is actually 3 different highways. 7/8 in the west, 7/85 in the central and 85 in the north. 8 continues to Hamilton. 7 goes to Guelph and 85 goes north to St. Jacobs.
Due to the branching nature of the expressways in Kitchener-Waterloo, if the Conestoga were ever upgraded to a 400-series ŕ la 16 > 416 there'd be the problem of what to call it.

The 407 is already take. The 403 would have made more sense, even in its original intended configuration (using what is now the 407 between Burlington and Mississauga) as the 405. The 405 in Niagara should have been the 408 following the original Hwy. 8 which disappeared at the Niagara Region border long before provincial downloading. The 406 is at odds since Hwy. 6 never came close to the Welland Canal, but I guess they were trying to be roughly sequential.

From another viewpoint, once the decision to allocate the original 403's routing to the 407, they should simply have renumbered the Mississauga section as an extension of the 410. It makes for some strange nomenclature with the "southbound" 410 running west across the city. But no more so than having two disjointed segments of 403. Even if they duplexed it with the QEW in between.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 11:45 AM   #2418
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Haljackey, what tree mod is that?

Looking to re-install that game, a fresh start, with much less plugins so it runs better, but I want quality ones!
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 10:02 PM   #2419
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they should simply have renumbered the Mississauga section as an extension of the 410. It makes for some strange nomenclature with the "southbound" 410 running west across the city. But no more so than having two disjointed segments of 403. Even if they duplexed it with the QEW in between.
There was a petition to renumber the section of the 403 between the QEW and 401 as 410, but it was defeated as people were used to the 403 number. If this happened, the 403 would only exist from the 401 to QEW, not cosigned with it to the 403 split.

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Birch trees I think, not sure as I have a lot of tree mods lol
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Old May 4th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #2420
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There was a petition to renumber the section of the 403 between the QEW and 401 as 410, but it was defeated as people were used to the 403 number. If this happened, the 403 would only exist from the 401 to QEW, not cosigned with it to the 403 split.
Numbering the Mississauga leg of the 403 as Hwy 410 was considered, but I don't think there was ever a petition launched to make this happen.
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