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Old June 19th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #2841
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Old June 20th, 2014, 12:58 AM   #2842
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That's too bad.

Another argument for a North American Schengen.

Talking of, I was just talking over lunch with a friend who's trying to choose between Toronto and Montreal for his next weekend-in-a-new-city. The question of where it's easier to cross the border came up. (Personally, that's not what would make me decide, but it's not my trip...) Only places I've crossed since 9/11 are at Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle and Jackman. Are Niagara-area crossings significantly better or worse than the former, and is there one that's better to use...?
Lacolle often has a bad jam, but the Niagara region ones are considerably worse, and there is a tolled bridge to boot. I think part of the problem is the entire GTA can only acces the US by those three areas while Montreal has several options (not just Lacolle but small border stations also)

You can actually find wait times in real-time, or announced on the radio on traffic reports:
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/bwt-taf/menu-eng.html
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Old June 20th, 2014, 01:37 AM   #2843
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Old June 20th, 2014, 01:57 AM   #2844
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There is also the American site of course:
http://bwt.cbp.gov/
Just one example - Lewiston (hwy 405) 70 minute delay right now (19h local time) (!)

They don't seem to cover the small border stations.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 11:47 AM   #2845
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That's too bad.
Another argument for a North American Schengen.
I find the idea of super strict control on the Canada - US border a ridiculous one.
It's not like illigal immigrants are going to swim across from Greenland and then sneak via Canada to the US.

Canada has stringent border control, so does USA. Easing border procedures between the two would increase tourism and trade with mininal risk for anyone's security.

There is for example no border control between Poland and Germany even if we have land border with Ukraine and the whole of the "wild east" stretching further. It works mostly fine.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 12:00 PM   #2846
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I think the U.S. is not willing to give up control of its external borders to a second party (i.e. Canada).
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Old June 20th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #2847
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I think the U.S. is not willing to give up control of its external borders to a second party (i.e. Canada).
I'm not saying about giving up control.
But quick glance at passport or ID should be enough for 99% of the travellers.

There is no need for all the show of force and security. Some of the border crossings (and most importantly the border officials' attitudes) looks more like in Baghdad's green zone than in civilized world.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 03:53 PM   #2848
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Maybe they want people to sign up for NEXUS. I was looking through those customs-and-immigration sites at the information for that. Yes, there's an application fee but it looks as if the basic idea is to get pre-clearance. I always assumed it was just for people who cross the border regularly, but as far as I can tell I could get one of those passes/IDs/whatever you call them and thus bypass the controls next time...IF I were willing to pay the $50 fee.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 03:57 PM   #2849
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I think the U.S. is not willing to give up control of its external borders to a second party (i.e. Canada).
...or at least enough of our politicians go ballistic over immigration and border issues. I don't know - I don't pay close enough attention to our politicians, ballistic or otherwise, lately - whether the idea of opening the Canadian border has ever gotten serious consideration, but unfortunately, anyone who's opposed has this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam#Capture
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Old June 20th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #2850
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I'm not saying about giving up control.
But quick glance at passport or ID should be enough for 99% of the travellers.

There is no need for all the show of force and security. Some of the border crossings (and most importantly the border officials' attitudes) looks more like in Baghdad's green zone than in civilized world.
Hear, hear. The officials' attitudes (in both directions, in my experience) may be the worst of it.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 05:36 PM   #2851
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Old June 20th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #2852
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View for the Hwy 400/11 split taken about a month ago. You can see two future support piers as well as the northern bridge abutment, well to the left of the current structure. The southern abutment is just beyond the orange excavator just to the left of the Blazer that I was following:
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 09:54 PM   #2853
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...or at least enough of our politicians go ballistic over immigration and border issues. I don't know - I don't pay close enough attention to our politicians, ballistic or otherwise, lately - whether the idea of opening the Canadian border has ever gotten serious consideration, but unfortunately, anyone who's opposed has this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam#Capture
After 9-11 US border officials were under huge pressure and a culture of extreme paranoia and fear made the border a nightmare for people crossing. The Canadian government has bent over backwards to work with US border concerns to make the whole process easier and less problematic.

There's tons of information exchange between the 2 countries, streamlining, and co-operation. It's better than it was 10 years ago, but it's still a very unpleasant experience.. and it's in both directions. I honestly have an easier time entering the UK or Costa Rica than the US or Canada. It's enough to make me avoid crossing into the US altogether.

To answer your former question regarding which points of entry is best, I wouldn't know. I don't cross much any more. I go to Europe instead.
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...or at least enough of our politicians go ballistic over immigration and border issues. I don't know - I don't pay close enough attention to our politicians, ballistic or otherwise, lately - whether the idea of opening the Canadian border has ever gotten serious consideration, but unfortunately, anyone who's opposed has this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam#Capture
Which is annoying, since the old-time pre-9/11 easygoing border crossing regime (no identity papers) immediately caught this guy. There's a case for stricter controls if the easy ones don't work, but they did work!

It must have been amusing how it went down also...
"What's your destination today, sir?"
"Los Angeles"
"Purpose of your trip?"
"Um, destroy America"
"OK... why don't you have a seat right over here?"
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I find the idea of super strict control on the Canada - US border a ridiculous one.
It's not like illigal immigrants are going to swim across from Greenland and then sneak via Canada to the US.

Canada has stringent border control, so does USA. Easing border procedures between the two would increase tourism and trade with mininal risk for anyone's security.

There is for example no border control between Poland and Germany even if we have land border with Ukraine and the whole of the "wild east" stretching further. It works mostly fine.
For the love of god please don't compare North America to Europe
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Old June 25th, 2014, 07:20 AM   #2856
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In all honesty, you'd think it would be even easier crossing between Canada and the US than between European countries.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 11:57 PM   #2857
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Not really. European countries tend to be much more similar in terms of policy, and their close borders mean smaller differences. When you have two countries each roughly the size of the entire EU, you get lots of issues that might not exist Europe.

Canada's and the US's completely different approaches to immigration and Canada's economic protectionism make it difficult.
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In the US border control is also a big political issue.
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Not really. European countries tend to be much more similar in terms of policy, and their close borders mean smaller differences. When you have two countries each roughly the size of the entire EU, you get lots of issues that might not exist Europe.

Canada's and the US's completely different approaches to immigration and Canada's economic protectionism make it difficult.
While this is true today, let's not forget... well... 1939 or 1914 or the Cold War era or all that It's pretty impressive the border crossing is as easy as is...
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A render of the new Champlain Bridge (pont Champlain) in Montréal.



It looks great, but it's a mistake not to increase capacity to at least eight general purpose lanes. The current bridge carries 160,000 vehicles per day (the max for six lanes), and this new bridge is suppose to last another 100 years or so. Not a wise investment for the future. At least they could turn the shoulders into driving lanes at some point.
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