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Old August 7th, 2014, 01:01 AM   #2921
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the thing was just a clusterf-k, a political potato between an incompetent gov't and then the subsequent, competent but badly cash-strapped one...

the 99 year lease thing was just insane... a 20-30 year build-operate-transfer setup is reasonable, though more costly to taxpayer.

The worst is the road ended up built dual carriageway instead of quadruple carriageway and the speed limit remains 100 km/h and policed stringently (despite the typical GTA road flow of 140 km/h)
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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:29 AM   #2922
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I think this confirms the tolls are too high. Was this really necessary?

On the other hand, you can buy a virtually guaranteed free-flow ride around Toronto.

It's a shame there are no AADT figures for Highway 407. Combined traffic on the entire road doesn't tell us much about the actual usage, such data is only interesting from a financial point of view.
the highway isn't exactly empty, it is actually quite busy. The existing 5 lane cross section between the 400 and 427 would congest slightly at rush hour, slowing to roughly 60km/h between roughly 4 and 6pm, from my experience.

The highway started with a 6 lane cross section through this section, its now up to its ultimate design width of 12 lanes. From now on it can only get congested. The off peak travel use on the highway (mid day at least) is higher than you expect as well, off peak there are a lot of work crew vehicles and just on time shipping vehicles that use it.

My guess for AADT is around 150,000 for this central stretch.

407 policed? HA!

speed of traffic absolutely isn't 140 either, average speed is around 120 probably. (most inter-regional roads average around 110 in ontario for comparision) The fast lane will get people travelling between 130 and 140, but the middle lanes will have people doing 115-125 typically.

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Old August 7th, 2014, 03:41 AM   #2923
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you're probably right, but I always am in the left lane and driving 140 like the other cars there In Poland speed limit is 140 (but there I drive 190 instead :P) GTA moves a lot faster than Montreal despite Montrealers cultural mythology thinking they drive fast (the 130's and 140's of TO are 120's and 130's here)

407 has such a huge ROW that they can keep expanding quite a bit if they do some kind of California-style elevated lanes, or more cheaply mess around on the edges cutting shoulders under overpasses and such. With the toll rates and the consistent growth of the GTA they will probably find a way to make it happen (no way they'd do any structures though in the next 20 odd years...) But already, 12 lanes on two carriageways is a little crazy, people probably drive weirdly not knowing what lane they are in or want to go on, the various 5 lane stretches of GTA roads are hard enough :P

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Old August 7th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #2924
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There is certianly the space for an E/C system, the highway just isn't built for it. It may eventually happen, but not likely for a while, the highway would essentially have to be completely rebuilt for it and that costs a whole lot more than installing a central median barrier like they did to make it 12 lanes.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 10:07 PM   #2925
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Premier confirms support for Prince Albert second bridge

The province will help fund a second North Saskatchewan River crossing at Prince Albert, Premier Brad Wall confirmed during a Monday visit to the city.

The only catch is, the city would have to enter into a P3 agreement.
Full report: http://www.paherald.sk.ca/News/Local...econd-bridge/1

Prince Albert is the third-largest city in Saskatchewan and gateway to the north. Population growth is slow though, especially compared to some of the second-class cities in Alberta like Fort McMurray or Grande Prairie.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #2926
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Gardiner expressway through Downtown Toronto, photo credit goes to forum member Jasonzed.

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Old August 17th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #2927
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That strip between the railway corridor and the Gardiner Expressway was entirely vacant land as recently as 2004. Only the Air Canada Centre existed before that time.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:09 PM   #2928
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if so they missed a good opportunity to build a new expressway next to the existing, even a ground-level one... now the elevated structure is falling apart and there is no space anywhere (you can even watch TV in people's condos when stuck in traffic )
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Old August 20th, 2014, 12:36 AM   #2929
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Premier confirms support for Prince Albert second bridge

The province will help fund a second North Saskatchewan River crossing at Prince Albert, Premier Brad Wall confirmed during a Monday visit to the city.

The only catch is, the city would have to enter into a P3 agreement.
Full report: http://www.paherald.sk.ca/News/Local...econd-bridge/1

Prince Albert is the third-largest city in Saskatchewan and gateway to the north. Population growth is slow though, especially compared to some of the second-class cities in Alberta like Fort McMurray or Grande Prairie.
The northern portion of Saskatchewan is far less developed in industrial terms, compared to northern Alberta. The province didn't build an infrastructure like Alberta did. That shoudl change, as there are significant resources to be exploited, notably oil and diamonds.

Another bridge in Prince Albert is a positive development in that regard. The existing heavy industries in the north (lumber, particularly) were affected when structural cracks were discovered in the bridge a couple years ago, resulting in restricted access for heavy vehicles - like loaded lumber trucks.

Also, in regard to Saskatchewan, its being reported that the process of bidding for the construction of the Regina highway bypass is underway and there are three companies in the running at this point.
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Old August 20th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #2930
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Tuktoyaktuk road may shift tourism dollars north from Inuvik

When the 137-km Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk Highway is completed in about four years, it will be the only public road to the Arctic Ocean in North America. (The Dalton Highway in Alaska gets close but the last section is part of the privately owned Prudhoe Bay oil facility.)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/...uvik-1.2741121

The Dalton Highway is slightly farther north, but apparently you cannot access the Arctic Ocean from it. The North Cape in Norway is even slightly farther north at 71 N.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 01:14 AM   #2931
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aerial image of the 401-407WDL interchange currently under construction. The 401 will be realigned to allow for the interchange ramps to fit between the highway and the rail line paralleling it. more images of the entire 407 extension project through the link.

http://www.407eastphase1.ca/photo-galleries/

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Old August 21st, 2014, 09:07 PM   #2932
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Highway 410

A local newspaper from the near-Toronto area reports construction will start next month on Highway 410 from the 401/403 interchange to Queen Street in Brampton. They will expand the highway to 4 GP lanes and 1 HOV lane each way.

http://www.caledonenterprise.com/new...sive-makeover/

I couldn't find a good project website though. The MTO website is quite poorly designed for quickly finding information about road projects other than the 407 east project.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 12:45 AM   #2933
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Its a pretty quiet project actually, there was no big political announcement for it. Last November MTO added a bunch of HOV projects to their capital expansion program and basically said nothing about it other than a bullet point for each one in their annual list of projects for the next 5 years.

The 404, 427, and 410 will all be getting new or expanded HOVs in the next few years, as well as HOVs from the 410/403 to Milton on the 401.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 05:08 AM   #2934
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Furthermore, the future 407E/407ETR Terminus



Via http://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comm...7etr_terminus/
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Old August 25th, 2014, 04:55 AM   #2935
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I was up in Wasaga Beach over the weekend, and took some photos of construction along Hwy 400 north of Toronto:


The old steel beam median has been removed through the Hwy 88 intechange. Looks like some storm sewer work is taking place before they construct the new concrete barrier






Falsework is starting to take place for the construction of the new structure to carry the northbound lanes of Highway 400 over-top of Highway 11.


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Old August 26th, 2014, 01:43 AM   #2936
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1958 photo of the 401 under construction at the Durham / Northhumberland county border. Courtesy of reddit user "TheSteamingPile" here



Roughly the same angle in 2013, the bridge was demolished earlier this year.

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Old August 26th, 2014, 08:58 PM   #2937
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Highway 427, Ontario

Improvements Begin on Highway 427

Ontario is widening a seven-kilometre stretch of Highway 427 from Campus Road-Fasken Drive to Steeles Avenue to improve traffic flow and safety in the Greater Toronto Area, while creating or sustaining 830 construction jobs.

The project includes:

Repairing, repaving and expanding the section of Highway 427 from five to eight lanes
Building one High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lane in each direction
Repairing eight bridges
Installing new high-mast lighting and median barriers

Construction is targeted for completion by fall 2017.
Full press release: http://news.ontario.ca/mto/en/2014/0...ghway-427.html
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Old August 28th, 2014, 04:32 AM   #2938
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In order to dispel the rumour that the 407 isn't busy:

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Repaving in Saskatchewan. That means driving on a temporary dirt road while they are rebuilding the highway. Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...iksWac4Q#t=539
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Old August 31st, 2014, 07:28 AM   #2940
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Cool photo of a basketweave on Ontario Highway 427.

Full size: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3894/...efd32412_o.jpg

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