daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old September 23rd, 2014, 03:48 PM   #2981
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,603
Likes (Received): 19391

They built a decent median there. Enough space to widen it to eight or maybe even ten lanes.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old September 23rd, 2014, 07:26 PM   #2982
Innsertnamehere
insertoronto
 
Innsertnamehere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,961
Likes (Received): 681

Its designed for 10 lanes south of the planned Bradford Bypass and 8 north of that, though the province really doesn't want to get to the point where it needs to be that wide.

A standard MTO median is 30 meters anyway, which is enough for 10 lanes.
Innsertnamehere no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 23rd, 2014, 09:23 PM   #2983
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,603
Likes (Received): 19391

A640, Bois-des-Filion, QC

Unused bridges across the A640 in Bois-des-Filion, a northern suburb of Montréal. It was planned to extend A19 to here, but those plans were shelved in the 1970s, but they still plan to convert Route 335 into A19.



http://www.bape.gouv.qc.ca/sections/...aval/index.htm
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 23rd, 2014, 10:48 PM   #2984
Innsertnamehere
insertoronto
 
Innsertnamehere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,961
Likes (Received): 681

pretty sure the A19 extension has funding.
Innsertnamehere no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 24th, 2014, 01:03 AM   #2985
Kanadzie
Registered User
 
Kanadzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,375
Likes (Received): 747

It was announced but the government was defeated. Then the next government did nothing and then it got defeated and the new government is the same party as the first... so wheels turn, very slowly

Was in newspaper yesterday actually:
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/mo...0-millions.php

600 M$ for 8 km highway with all ROW already preserved and owned

The plan for the road is stupid though, they are saying to make 2x3 except with left lanes reserved permanently for bus traffic. So you have a couple of buses driving 90 km/h max in left lane, then middle lane normal traffic at 130 km/h and right lane, trucks at 105 km/h... meanwhile "usual suspects" are complaining because the bicycle way planned is no good or that the "reserved lanes" might be converted to general purpose lanes when the traffic counts get higher and justify 2x3.

The plan would take the road to Hwy 640 but not past it. The half-built interchange would keep a cross-traffic on the Hwy 19 mainline, and only use 3 of the 4 overpasses.

The article notes though that the normal expected journey time on the existing Hwy 335 is 10 min, and becomes 25 min during morning rush hour. With the highway working properly it would be something like 6 min. The highway was originally slated to be built in late 1970's but was cancelled by incoming government in 1976, as were many highway projects in Quebec.
Kanadzie no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 24th, 2014, 03:48 AM   #2986
sonysnob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North York
Posts: 963
Likes (Received): 860

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanadzie View Post
It was announced but the government was defeated. Then the next government did nothing and then it got defeated and the new government is the same party as the first... so wheels turn, very slowly

Was in newspaper yesterday actually:
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/mo...0-millions.php

600 M$ for 8 km highway with all ROW already preserved and owned

The plan for the road is stupid though, they are saying to make 2x3 except with left lanes reserved permanently for bus traffic. So you have a couple of buses driving 90 km/h max in left lane, then middle lane normal traffic at 130 km/h and right lane, trucks at 105 km/h... meanwhile "usual suspects" are complaining because the bicycle way planned is no good or that the "reserved lanes" might be converted to general purpose lanes when the traffic counts get higher and justify 2x3.

The plan would take the road to Hwy 640 but not past it. The half-built interchange would keep a cross-traffic on the Hwy 19 mainline, and only use 3 of the 4 overpasses.

The article notes though that the normal expected journey time on the existing Hwy 335 is 10 min, and becomes 25 min during morning rush hour. With the highway working properly it would be something like 6 min. The highway was originally slated to be built in late 1970's but was cancelled by incoming government in 1976, as were many highway projects in Quebec.
How can 8km of new highway on right of way that is already owned cost $600 million? That's absurd. I think the 12km 404 extension, on a new alignment only set the government of Ontario back $90 million. (Which in itself is not a small chunk of change).
__________________
Asphaltplanet.ca
sonysnob no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 24th, 2014, 04:14 AM   #2987
Kanadzie
Registered User
 
Kanadzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,375
Likes (Received): 747


Because of brown envelopes -> http://www.montrealgazette.com/corruption/index.html

The worst is there is no major works that are there aside from the new bridge over the 1000 islands river -> which would be more of a glorified culvert than anything else as the river is very small, the only freeway interchange at 640 only consists of re-working the loops to fit the existing overpasses, etc. There is basically 1 new carriageway, rework of the existing carriageway and four cheap parclos / diamonds on small (basically farm at this time) roads.

Here's a presentation of the project actually for the environmental assessment "public hearings"
http://www.coalition19.qc.ca/presentation-BAPE.pdf
Kanadzie no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 24th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #2988
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,603
Likes (Received): 19391

Why would they need bus lanes on a freeway that will remain free-flow forever? The current Route 335 carries approximately 25,000 vehicles per day. If you rebuild that to a four-lane freeway you really don't need separate bus lanes, unless they plan some extreme suburban growth in the region.

$ 600 million seems like an absurd high figure for such an easy project.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 24th, 2014, 08:20 PM   #2989
Innsertnamehere
insertoronto
 
Innsertnamehere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,961
Likes (Received): 681

I wonder if it includes the reconstruction of the cloverleafs on both sides or something, plus a bunch of additional bus ramps on and off the highway?
Innsertnamehere no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 24th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #2990
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,603
Likes (Received): 19391

Perimeter Highway, Winnipeg, MB

The design of the Highway 59/101 interchange in northeastern Winnipeg. Construction is planned for 2015-2018.



The current design is unusual, and a leftover of a 1996 detour that was intended to be temporary.

ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 12:54 AM   #2991
Kanadzie
Registered User
 
Kanadzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,375
Likes (Received): 747

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
Why would they need bus lanes on a freeway that will remain free-flow forever? The current Route 335 carries approximately 25,000 vehicles per day. If you rebuild that to a four-lane freeway you really don't need separate bus lanes, unless they plan some extreme suburban growth in the region.

$ 600 million seems like an absurd high figure for such an easy project.
Route 335 / A-19 would probably have massive growth if completed just from traffic avoiding the over-capacity A15 in particular. Right now basically nobody uses the R 335 except people whose destination is the A-19 bridge to Montreal. With a good road to the north, people will probably use it as an access to A-440 much more.

There is potential for massive suburban growth as most of the area is farms that are not permitted for development, but with time they eventually will be issuing the permits.

Bus lanes in permanence reserved seems to be a feature of all new road projects in urban areas in Quebec for political reasons. The A-25 bridge between Laval and Montreal has them as well. (the bridge is always free flow but the connecting roads are jammed)

But at the end the traffic is still ending up at the Papineau St surface road in Montreal and eventually the A-40 Metropolitan Boulevard which can handle essentially no additional traffic.
Kanadzie no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 05:47 AM   #2992
Haljackey
Registered User
 
Haljackey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: London, Ontario
Posts: 703
Likes (Received): 107

Ya that Winnipeg project is an oddball. Glad something will be done to improve the junction, even if it is a 3/4 cloverleaf.

-----

New photos of the 401 extension / Windsor Essex Parkway / Right Honourable Herb Gray Parkway.

The project has now been going on for 3 full years.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hgparkway/
__________________
My Twitter

My Simcity Stuff
Haljackey no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 06:09 AM   #2993
Zack Fair
Registered User
 
Zack Fair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 696
Likes (Received): 755

Quote:
Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere View Post
photos I found of the 404 extension to Keswick:


https://twitter.com/JeremyGlobalTV
What's the function of that parking lot? Bus terminal?
Zack Fair no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 06:15 AM   #2994
Gil
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,120
Likes (Received): 38

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack Fair View Post
What's the function of that parking lot? Bus terminal?
From what I've heard elsewhere it's a carpool/park & ride for the GO bus route up to Keswick.
Gil no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 07:18 AM   #2995
Innsertnamehere
insertoronto
 
Innsertnamehere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,961
Likes (Received): 681

Yup, carpool lot / GO bus stop. There is a couple of them along the 404 now. Wellington and Davis existed before the extension and now there is one at Green lane and Queensville sideroad.

They are essentially a new standard for new construction urban highways for MTO, I think they will be building a couple along the 407 extension as well, and they built one beside the 401 when they widened it to 12 lanes to Hurontario.
Innsertnamehere no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #2996
diablo234
Oh No He Didn't
 
diablo234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,297

Quote:
Originally Posted by fredcalif View Post
The more I know about Canada, the more I fall in love with that place.
I am big fan of Highways, and Canada is one of the best for that along with California and Texas
It's really just Ontario that has a good/decent freeway network. The other provinces tend to be lacking in that regard (with the possible exception for Quebec if their freeways were better maintained).
diablo234 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 09:27 PM   #2997
Innsertnamehere
insertoronto
 
Innsertnamehere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,961
Likes (Received): 681

Ontario is a world leader in highway design, outside of Ontario though it does degrade to a certain extent. Provinces like Manitoba have absolutely embarrassing highway networks, but generally eastern Canada is fairly good, Ontario, New Brunswick, Quebec (less so), Nova Scotia, etc. have very good highway networks.

You also have to remember that Ontario accounts for 1/3rd of Canadas population, the 400 series highway network dominates the Canadian highway network and rightfully so.
Innsertnamehere no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 10:05 PM   #2998
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,603
Likes (Received): 19391

New Brunswick has a relatively large freeway network for its area and population size.

There's a report about the poor design standards of the Perimeter around Winnipeg. It's called 'disaster by design'. They identified 70 at-grade crossings and 10 railroad crossings in 2006. Some have been fixed, but most haven't.

The prairie provinces have a fairly adequate network of twinned highways, that basically function like at-grade freeways with a 100 or 110 kph speed limit. Soon they will finish the twinning of 400-something kilometers of Alberta Highway 43 to Grande Prairie and in 2016 all of Highway 63 to Fort McMurray will be twinned.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2014, 10:32 PM   #2999
Innsertnamehere
insertoronto
 
Innsertnamehere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,961
Likes (Received): 681

those highways are full of stop lights as well though at major intersections.

Prairie provinces like to pay to twin roads as it only costs around $1-$1.5 million per km to construct a second carriageway, so its easy to reach a high cost-benefit ratio for the projects as its so damn cheap. Thats fine for minor routes that are similar in importance to US state routes in the US, but its a bit substandard on the Trans Canada routes IMO. Building interchanges however raises the costs a ton and they never seem to want to give out the cash for it, which is unfortunate. Even the highway between Calgary and Edmonton isn't fully grade seperated, and it has an AADT of something like 30,000 at its lowest point. BC is a bit better with some real highways, but even then they tend to build these weird half expressways that have some interchanges but some stoplights as well.

You generally have to get to Ontario before major routes are full motorways, and then its essentially a full motorway network all the way to the East coast. Quebec has a lot of substandard highway interchanges and Ontario's inner city municipally owned highways are generally fairly poorly built (usually built to 1950's design standards), as well as a few substandard RIRO highways, but otherwise it is a surprisingly modern and safe road system.

Last edited by Innsertnamehere; September 25th, 2014 at 10:38 PM.
Innsertnamehere no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 26th, 2014, 12:48 AM   #3000
Kanadzie
Registered User
 
Kanadzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,375
Likes (Received): 747

I think the Calgary-Edmonton Hwy 2 is almost entirely freeway now... there are only a couple of grade crossings between Airdrie and Red Deer and maybe one between Red Deer and the Henday ring road IIRC. The situation is practically like those Interstates in Texas, the AADT of the intersection is like 5 vehicles per day, but if you close it, the 5 cars need to make a 10 or 20 km detour...

It is weird since new urban freeways in Alberta have pretty kickass design (e.g. new Stoney) and they have plans for interchanges a bit everywhere they are missing, but there is no money...
Kanadzie no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
autoroute, highways, ontario, toronto

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium