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Old November 15th, 2006, 11:51 PM   #381
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wow, pretty, especially the first one .
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Old November 21st, 2006, 01:25 AM   #382
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A few new Ontario Freeway photos for those interested:

Highway 7



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Highway 11



Highway 420

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Old November 21st, 2006, 05:17 AM   #383
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Very nice....but why no 409??
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Old November 22nd, 2006, 12:30 AM   #384
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Don Valley Parkway



Amazing. And to think this is right in the middle of Toronto. Toronto really is a very green city.
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Old November 22nd, 2006, 06:40 PM   #385
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Old November 24th, 2006, 02:58 AM   #386
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Great photos!

To whomever said that the quality of the highways isn't great (I know this is
a very old thread, but still):
It is no secret that most North American highways have inferior pavement
surfaces and maintenance than many Western European highways (particularly
the infamous German autobahns).
However, these highways have much more capacity and daily traffic than most
European highways, and, in the case of Ontario highways, they also endure
very harsh winter weather that very quickly wears the road surface.
Distances are also often much larger. Ontario's highway network, as can be
seen in the maps, is not very dense, but that's because most people live in
South Ontario (particularly Greater Toronto Area) in the Horseshoe region.
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Old December 1st, 2006, 09:07 AM   #387
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It is said that a rapid transit line carries the equivalent of 10 highway lanes.

Why haven't rapid transit lines been built along the corridors of these monstrosities?
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Old December 1st, 2006, 11:03 AM   #388
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I love the green and clutter-freeness.
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 03:25 AM   #389
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I remember that my parents dreaded driving through 401 when in Toronto...the sheer scale and traffic was overwhelming...

The Don Valley Pkwy, when not congested, is a very nice ride down to Downtown. So green...
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Old December 4th, 2006, 02:37 AM   #390
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It is said that a rapid transit line carries the equivalent of 10 highway lanes.

Why haven't rapid transit lines been built along the corridors of these monstrosities?
The 400 series highways that run through Toronto, particularly the Hwy 400 and 401, exist primarily for regional transportation. The 401 alone serves Southern Ontario's massive manufacturing economy, and connects from Michigan to Quebec. The combination of these two highways serve as the only freeway option for travel, both East/West and North/South (with the exception of the 407 that bypasses Toronto).

While I am pro-transit, and would like to see more rapid transit lines in Toronto, they would not replace these highways or diminish their scale.
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Old December 4th, 2006, 05:36 AM   #391
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The 400 series highways that run through Toronto, particularly the Hwy 400 and 401, exist primarily for regional transportation. The 401 alone serves Southern Ontario's massive manufacturing economy, and connects from Michigan to Quebec. The combination of these two highways serve as the only freeway option for travel, both East/West and North/South (with the exception of the 407 that bypasses Toronto).

While I am pro-transit, and would like to see more rapid transit lines in Toronto, they would not replace these highways or diminish their scale.
I'm sure they don't need that many lanes for commercial traffic, nor have anywhere near that many on the rural sections of those highways. I meant it's just the portions within the GTA with the really heavy traffic and the obscene number of lanes that could have been substituted with rapid transit.
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Old December 4th, 2006, 07:01 AM   #392
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I'm sure they don't need that many lanes for commercial traffic, nor have anywhere near that many on the rural sections of those highways. I meant it's just the portions within the GTA with the really heavy traffic and the obscene number of lanes that could have been substituted with rapid transit.
I think Toronto could use additional transit lines, however as has been said, the traffic density on the areas highways probably wouldn't decrease substantially with them. Traffic volumes on the 401 have not decreased since the Sheppard Subway was opened, for example.
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Old December 4th, 2006, 09:03 AM   #393
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I'm sure they don't need that many lanes for commercial traffic, nor have anywhere near that many on the rural sections of those highways. I meant it's just the portions within the GTA with the really heavy traffic and the obscene number of lanes that could have been substituted with rapid transit.
Suburban Toronto is still too auto-centric for that to happen. There's just so many 400 series highways feeding into the 401. They include 404-DVP (Markham/Richmond Hill/Aurora/NewMarket), 400 (Vaughan to Barrie), 427/410 Mississauga/Brampton/Etobicoke, 403 Mississauga/Oakville.

Each of these highways serve a population that's greater than Surrey, and most of these suburbs in the 905 area sprawl worse than Surrey.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 12:11 AM   #394
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I'm surprised at the lack of traffic in a lot of the photos. If things are like that for the majority of the day then most of this system is overbuilt.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 12:16 AM   #395
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I'm surprised at the lack of traffic in a lot of the photos. If things are like that for the majority of the day then most of this system is overbuilt.
Nowadways, you'd be lucky if the roads are this clear on a Sunday. Usually, at least one part of the highway is closed for construction.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 03:08 AM   #396
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I remember reading that the 401 through Toronto carries more than $1 Billion worth of goods per day, much of which heads to the world's busiest border crossing at Windsor/Detroit. Combine that volume with commuter traffic underserved by transit alternatives, and a highway this size is required. It's unfortunate Canada has such a limited rail capacity, or much of the truck freight could be put there.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 12:26 AM   #397
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I'm surprised at the lack of traffic in a lot of the photos. If things are like that for the majority of the day then most of this system is overbuilt.
ya i wonder how long someone waited to get some of those pics.



As for replacing some lanes with public transit. A lot of those highways just carry to much regional and international traffic. The corridors which the freeways run through arn't the densist parts of the GTA themselves. Most of those cars' final destinations are not in close proximity (walking distance) to a freeway corridor, so putting public transit there might not even be sustainable.

Thats sort of the reason that freeways are built where they are. Because there is available and cheep space, and little (relatively) public opposition.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 01:23 AM   #398
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Suburban Toronto is still too auto-centric for that to happen.
The fact that the suburbs have more freeway than Toronto itself always bothers me. Downtown gets two 6-lane freeways (basically one through freeway), while places like York region have three or more 6-12 lane freeways without rapid transit (VIVA doesn't really count, yet).
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Old December 6th, 2006, 01:45 AM   #399
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The fact that the suburbs have more freeway than Toronto itself always bothers me. Downtown gets two 6-lane freeways (basically one through freeway), while places like York region have three or more 6-12 lane freeways without rapid transit (VIVA doesn't really count, yet).
We'ed rather not have a ton of 10 lane freeways cutting through dowtown, thank you. It makes sense for low density suburbs to have them all.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 02:21 AM   #400
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The fact that the suburbs have more freeway than Toronto itself always bothers me. Downtown gets two 6-lane freeways (basically one through freeway), while places like York region have three or more 6-12 lane freeways without rapid transit (VIVA doesn't really count, yet).
I realize that you are talking about downtown but the 401 does cut through northern Toronto. There were significant plans to surround downtown Toronto with freeways i.e. like US cities, thankfully it never happened.
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