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Old July 8th, 2007, 11:52 PM   #561
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"Ontarians don't call highways as the TCH as far as I know"

We do in the North. Outside of Thunder Bay and in all of NWO, Highway 11/17 is referred to as "the Trans-Canada". The article you quoted does just that, and the signs posted all over town do the same. The green Trans-Canada signs are more numerous than the Ontario King's Highway signs outside of the city.

The downloading also cut highways up, there are no less than 5 stretches of 11/17, 61, and 102 through Thunder Bay that are maintained by Thunder Bay, which resulted in money being taken out of the general road repair fund to upgrade them in the early 2000s. (The government conveniently went several years without maintaining the downloaded parts of highway before they were downloaded, resulting in millions of dollars of municipal money going to fund former provincial highways, instead of local streets)
I stand corrected. The TCH goes nowhere near here. Closest it gets really is towards Peterborough, where it is called Highway 12, Highway 7, etc. That's all.

Downloading of Highways in the North is nothing compared to what happened in the south. Provincial Highways (outside of the 400-series) is a rarity compared to 10 years ago.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 12:12 AM   #562
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If Northern Ontario had municipalities (Districts, unlike counties, don't have any government form, there is nothing between municipal and provincial politics up here) we would have lost most of our highways as well. The government can't download most highways up here, because there is no level of government to download them to.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 04:29 AM   #563
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If Northern Ontario had municipalities (Districts, unlike counties, don't have any government form, there is nothing between municipal and provincial politics up here) we would have lost most of our highways as well. The government can't download most highways up here, because there is no level of government to download them to.
true that.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 04:55 AM   #564
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The Kicking Horse Canyon section of the Trans-Canada in British Columbia is getting a $1 billion revamp as we speak. This is a 26 km project in very rugged and mountainous land.

It includes North America's longest road tunnel at 2.9 kms and several other shorter tunnels, bridge replacements, safety improvements, more lanes (from 2 to 4 new lanes), and many more.












And in Vancouver, there's a $1.5 billion plan to twin the Trans Canada's five-lane bridge and add more lanes along the highway.


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Old July 9th, 2007, 06:16 AM   #565
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Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics, it's probably Ojibwe or Cree, they're the two that use CAS the most.

The top sign says: Tsihtsiwee Meeskeenoo
The lower sign says: Waapistaan Meeskeenoo
The stop sign says: Tsipihtsii

The French says "Arrest" because telling people to arrest at corners is better than telling them to stop.
Especially wacky since the red octagon 'stop' signs in France say...

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"STOP"







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Old July 9th, 2007, 01:59 PM   #566
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I know. The Quebeckers HAVE to be different, any sign of similarities with English Canadians and they flip out. They've even changed words to avoid similarities, it's absurd. Especially when you consider that English got the words from French, and not the other way around.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 05:31 PM   #567
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The Kicking Horse Canyon section of the Trans-Canada in British Columbia is getting a $1 billion revamp as we speak. This is a 26 km project in very rugged and mountainous land.
$1 billion (I supposes Canadian dollars), that's about 700 M €.

700M € for 26 km's of freeway? That's quite expensive.

2.6km's long tunnel? The longest in north america?! But that's really small!
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Old July 9th, 2007, 05:47 PM   #568
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700M € for 26 km's of freeway? That's quite expensive.
You ain't seen nothing yet. The Dutch A4 should be build for 700M € for 7km. That's a damn 100 € million per km. And the crash barriers aren't even gold or diamond...
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Old July 9th, 2007, 05:54 PM   #569
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They're building the highway along mountains. :P

And Canada really isn't one for tunnels anyway. We blow up mountains instead of going under them.

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This is somewhere in Northern Ontario. To be honest, it could be anywhere. Up here, if you aren't standing in a swamp, you're standing on rocks, or a foot of dirt covering the rocks. :P
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Old July 9th, 2007, 06:24 PM   #570
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You ain't seen nothing yet. The Dutch A4 should be build for 700M € for 7km. That's a damn 100 € million per km. And the crash barriers aren't even gold or diamond...
That's certainly outrageously expensive, but it's in a build up area I guess, right?
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Old July 9th, 2007, 06:28 PM   #571
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You ain't seen nothing yet. The Dutch A4 should be build for 700M € for 7km. That's a damn 100 € million per km. And the crash barriers aren't even gold or diamond...
I hope these seven kilometers will look like the Struma motorway with mirrorfinish big crashbarriers and shining markings and dark black asphalt and superb shiny signs, the whole struma motorway will cost as much i think, and that are 156 km motorway, it is very cheap, i don´t know why, i hope it wilhave great quaility because if it is as cheap as 7 km motorway in the netherlands. anyway, why is the dutch motorway section so extremly epensie, is there extremly much corruption?
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Well, what I hope is that it's a mega motorway, with a section of at least 3+3+3+3, with full separate access to each 3 lane way (like in the NJ turnpike).

I however, pretty much doubt that (although the mony would certainly be more than enough to do it)...
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Old July 9th, 2007, 07:21 PM   #573
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You ain't seen nothing yet. The Dutch A4 should be build for 700M € for 7km. That's a damn 100 € million per km. And the crash barriers aren't even gold or diamond...
Will the motorway at least be horny?
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That's certainly outrageously expensive, but it's in a build up area I guess, right?
No it goes over completely flat land, and a dike has been constructed for the motorway in the sixties. i don't know why it's this ridiculously expensive.
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In here, and in Spain, those kind of motorways (2x2 in flat land) usually cost like 5M € per km or less.
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I hope these seven kilometers will look like the Struma motorway with mirrorfinish big crashbarriers and shining markings and dark black asphalt and superb shiny signs, the whole struma motorway will cost as much i think, and that are 156 km motorway, it is very cheap, i don´t know why, i hope it wilhave great quaility because if it is as cheap as 7 km motorway in the netherlands. anyway, why is the dutch motorway section so extremly epensie, is there extremly much corruption?
No it won't have mirrorfinish chrashbarriers, shining markins, coal-dark black asphalt and superb shiny signs, because no-one needs that.

How old are you, ten years? Please stop those stupid remarks about shining barriers and Struma motorway, you spoil every thread with your nonsense crap.


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For the amount of work, price is comparative to some alpine motorways (which is quite similar to them), so I don't think, that it is very expensive.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 08:15 PM   #577
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anyway, why is the dutch motorway section so extremly epensie, is there extremly much corruption?
Read this news, dude: EU executive chides Romania, Bulgaria on corruption

And to answer your question as to why Struma motorway is cheaper, that's because the labour in Bulgaria is cheaper. I don't know about the quality of work in Bulgaria, but I'd like to point out that shiny barriers and signs constitute very little fraction of total funds allocated for the road construction. You are paying too much attention to minor things instead of concentrating on the major issue - for how long a road will preserve the acceptable quality?

For instance, in Russia new roads look very sexy for the first year. Then, after the first winter you get huge cracks and pot holes that need to be filled regularly. At the same time, in Finland the roads are somehow able to withstand extreme temperature changes.
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Until Bulgaria becomes the fourth territory you guys have to finish your discussion elsewhere, m'kay?
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Is Kicking Horse Canyon section anyhow connected to upcoming winter Olympics in 2010?
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No, but it is being improved.

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/kickinghorse/index.htm
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