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Old July 11th, 2007, 06:12 AM   #621
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He's talking about a stretch of road that 'often' gets snow drifts. He still hasn't grasped how long the TCH is, or how many months of -30 to -40 degree weather it endures.
Hey, i was not refering to the TCH and how good or bad it is. I just got angry because Alex generalized much. In the article he offered there was not written down that in Bulgaria they have so much corruption that quality standarts in transportation infrastrcture are very low.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 09:20 PM   #623
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Highway 11:
This stretch of Highway 11 was widened to 4-lanes within the last decade:







North of North Bay the highway takes little traffic, and is only 2-lanes. Here it is part of the Trans-Canada



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Old July 11th, 2007, 09:24 PM   #624
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The 4 lane stretch between Sudbury only gets about 5000 cars a day.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 09:38 PM   #625
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During the Olympics, the highway will be opened to Olympic traffic only.

As well, the Olympic organizing committee is renting sixteen 500-passenger high speed ferries to shuttle spectators from Downtown Vancouver to a new cruise ship terminal at Squamish where passengers would board onto a coach bus to Whistler.
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The 4 lane stretch between Sudbury only gets about 5000 cars a day.
Between Sudbury and where? There isn't any 4-lane highway near Sudbury that takes that little traffic. When 69 is twinned it is possible that traffic volumes could still be in the 6500-7000 range through the central segments.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #627
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What proportion of the non-400-series King's highways are up to freeway standards (i.e. dual carriageways with interchanges)?
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Old July 11th, 2007, 11:28 PM   #628
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Old July 11th, 2007, 11:37 PM   #629
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Between Sudbury and where? There isn't any 4-lane highway near Sudbury that takes that little traffic. When 69 is twinned it is possible that traffic volumes could still be in the 6500-7000 range through the central segments.
When 69 is twinned? It only gets 6500 to 7000 vehicles. I thought the excuse for not twinning 1117 was that it was below 10,000? :koko:

If that is the case, the only places on 69 that warrant twinning are between Highway 124 and Village Road and 0.1Km N of Highway 537 to the end of the highway. On Highway 17 west of highway 69, the only place that warrants twinning is in Thunder Bay.
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There are special circumstances though, such as to create economic growth in the north, by twinning 69
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When 69 is twinned? It only gets 6500 to 7000 vehicles. I thought the excuse for not twinning 1117 was that it was below 10,000? :koko:

If that is the case, the only places on 69 that warrant twinning are between Highway 124 and Village Road and 0.1Km N of Highway 537 to the end of the highway. On Highway 17 west of highway 69, the only place that warrants twinning is in Thunder Bay.
69 is more of a political hotbead then a lot of road construction. It shouldn't be forgotten that the Highway 69 twinning was fast-tracked by Ernie Eves, who was the representative for Parry Sound, and whose son was killed in a single vehicle accident along the highway.

I am a transportation engineering student in Ontario, and have driven Highway 69 on many occasions (in fact I have driven the entire length of Trans-Canada Highway in Ontario) and can't find a non political reason for the fast-tracking of Highway 69 improvements between Parry Sound and Estaire. Yes, the highway will need to eventually be twinned however, traffic volumes simply aren't there yet. Highway 69 is once again by in large a very well designed highway, with excellent passing opportunity. From an operational standpoint it would be much more logical for the MTO to improve Highway 17 on either side of Sudbury, as to the west is quite busy, and to the east has poor geometry.
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There are special circumstances though, such as to create economic growth in the north, by twinning 69
What, the Lakehead doesn't need economic growth?

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69 is more of a political hotbead then a lot of road construction. It shouldn't be forgotten that the Highway 69 twinning was fast-tracked by Ernie Eves, who was the representative for Parry Sound, and whose son was killed in a single vehicle accident along the highway.

I am a transportation engineering student in Ontario, and have driven Highway 69 on many occasions (in fact I have driven the entire length of Trans-Canada Highway in Ontario) and can't find a non political reason for the fast-tracking of Highway 69 improvements between Parry Sound and Estaire. Yes, the highway will need to eventually be twinned however, traffic volumes simply aren't there yet. Highway 69 is once again by in large a very well designed highway, with excellent passing opportunity. From an operational standpoint it would be much more logical for the MTO to improve Highway 17 on either side of Sudbury, as to the west is quite busy, and to the east has poor geometry.
Well it's settled then. someone slaughter Dalton's son on the Trans-Canada Highway and we'll finally see improvements. It'll be the first thing he's ever done for us!
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What, the Lakehead doesn't need economic growth?
Ya the Lakehead needs economic growth, but the Lakehead is to far away from Toronto. Where is the Lakehead anyways, I know theres some tiny university school thing there....

I kid but I bet thats what the reactions in the Ontario Legislature would be like.

To really create growth they need businesses to go there, and choose to set up shop in Thunder Bay, rather than Souther Ontario. The only way I see businesses doing that though is if the government gives them a big tax write off.
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"Where is the Lakehead anyways, I know theres some tiny university school thing there...."



"To really create growth they need businesses to go there, and choose to set up shop in Thunder Bay, rather than Souther Ontario. The only way I see businesses doing that though is if the government gives them a big tax write off."

Business is moving here, a propane company recently relocated to the city and the medical research sector is booming. Almost anything that goes to Eastern Canada from Western Canada, and vice versa, goes through here.

Now you know why we want to separate. And why you don't find Ontario flags in this city.
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Ok now I was kidding about the where is the Lakehead, but I'm assuming you understood that
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"Where is the Lakehead anyways, I know theres some tiny university school thing there...."



"To really create growth they need businesses to go there, and choose to set up shop in Thunder Bay, rather than Souther Ontario. The only way I see businesses doing that though is if the government gives them a big tax write off."

Business is moving here, a propane company recently relocated to the city and the medical research sector is booming. Almost anything that goes to Eastern Canada from Western Canada, and vice versa, goes through here.

Now you know why we want to separate. And why you don't find Ontario flags in this city.
That doesn't really answer why you wouldn't find an Ontario flag flying in Thunder Bay ... but it does point to exactly why the province isn't jumping to tiwn the Trans-Canada through Northwestern Ontario.

How much traffic does medical research generate? None ... at least none that would be using the Trans-Canada outside the cities urban commuter area. Same goes for a propane company, since obviously propane is carried by pipeline not on a truck on the highway.
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Well it will be a good example of the government waiting until it's too late to do anything about anything. They're plan to reroute the 11/17 is going with a 2 lane highway instead of a 4 lane plan they originally had, and will have it expanded when needed (Which will likely be immediately, if not sooner). The total cost of the new two lane-then-four lane plan is about three and a half times more than the original cost. But no one lives up here, so who cares, right?

"^ You wanna unite with Manitoba?"

Since the late 1800s, Manitoba and Ontario have been fighting over the Northwest. The only reason Northern Ontario is part of Ontario and not a separate entity is so that Ontario could control the natural resources. Although Ontario no longer controls Northern Ontario's natural resources, corporate America does. They own about 10% of Ontario.
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Well it will be a good example of the government waiting until it's too late to do anything about anything. They're plan to reroute the 11/17 is going with a 2 lane highway instead of a 4 lane plan they originally had, and will have it expanded when needed (Which will likely be immediately, if not sooner). The total cost of the new two lane-then-four lane plan is about three and a half times more than the original cost. But no one lives up here, so who cares, right?
The Shabaqua Highway will take 5,000 cars a day at max, which a two lane controlled access highway with two at-grade intersections will handle with no trouble. Look at the Highway 6 by-pass south of Hamilton. I haven't seen traffic counts for it yet, but I'd venture a guess traffic volumes are probably closer to 7,000 vehicles on an average day and the road functions superbly.
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The Shabaqua Highway will be taking people off of Oliver, Dawson, John, and Arthur, and will handle all truck traffic as 102 is going through urban sprawl. It's going to be more than 5000.
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