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Old September 8th, 2007, 05:46 AM   #781
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Sounds good to me.. the furthest north I've been in Quebec was Jacques Cartier parc in that direction. I've also been to La Sarre in the west.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 02:48 AM   #782
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thought, it was time for some new photos.... enjoy!

de nouvelles photos - profitez-en :-)

le pont champlain à Montréal, dir. MTL


l'échangeur des A40/ A25 à anjou - note the details on the bridges!


impression banlieusarde - commercial strip on A40


cool sign at A40/ A55 à Trois-Rivières


sorry for the bad quality - who thought, ville de québec would have such a skyline from the distance! Vue de québec de l'A40


no freeway, but I love the scenery towards the great mont saint hilaire - route 116 vers mt st. hilaire
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Old September 9th, 2007, 05:59 AM   #783
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Can't miss the shape of that sugarloaf -- eastbound intercity trains leaving here pass alongside the bottom of that hill this side too after crossing over a nice spot on the Richelieu River.
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Old October 16th, 2007, 08:05 PM   #784
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Canada’s 407 celebrates

Canada’s Highway 407 ETR celebrated the 10th anniversary of its first ever tolled trip by announcing that it recently set a new, one-day traffic record.

On Friday, October 5, a record 445,822 trips were taken on Highway 407 by those wanting to avoid congestion and ‘jump start’ their holiday weekend. This beat the previous record of 434,670 trips set on June 22, 2007.

The first day of tolling on Highway 407 was October 14, 1997 when the highway was only 36km long, stretching from Highway 410 to Highway 404. By 1999, the highway was lengthened to 68km and privatised. During the past eight years, Highway 407 has spent over C$800 million to lengthen the highway by 40km and to widen busy sections to improve traffic flow.
445,822 is that now the busiest in the world? It's way more as LA's busiest (390,000).
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Old October 16th, 2007, 08:23 PM   #785
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445,822 is that now the busiest in the world? It's way more as LA's busiest (390,000).
no...not AADT over one point. The Highway is 108 km long, and the toll routes can record where someone gets off and gets on, and there is counted as one trip. So 1 trip could be between km marker #2 and km #5 and be a 3 km trip and still count as 1 trip that day.

It's a decent number, but if you think about it, really not even that impressive (in terms of congestion). It's a great highway if you want to get from Point A to Point B quickly across the top of Toronto as an alternative to the free Highway 401.

Can't imagine what the highway would be like if it were a toll-free route.
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Old October 16th, 2007, 08:32 PM   #786
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Will the 407 eventually surpass the 401 as the busiest highway?

I mean, the highway is only 10 years old and it's already one of the busiest highways in North America.

Seriously, 445k is just...wow. I wouldn't want to drive on that highway.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 03:14 AM   #787
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Will the 407 eventually surpass the 401 as the busiest highway?

I mean, the highway is only 10 years old and it's already one of the busiest highways in North America.

Seriously, 445k is just...wow. I wouldn't want to drive on that highway.
I doubt it. As my fellow forumer has stated, the figure is not AADT. Highway 407 cannot even be close to the peak traffic on the 401, simply because it does not even come near to the 401 in capacity (i.e. size/number of lanes). Generally, this highway is always relatively quiet, whereas the 401 is almost always in a jam at some point along the route.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 03:18 AM   #788
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I'm near Dixie and QEW.
I had no idea you were from Mississauga.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 09:05 AM   #789
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445,822 is that now the busiest in the world? It's way more as LA's busiest (390,000).

Naw...that's for the entire highway...the 401 now peaks at around 500,000....for a single intersection.




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Old October 17th, 2007, 12:31 PM   #790
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Naw...that's for the entire highway...the 401 now peaks at around 500,000....for a single intersection.
Are there any AADT documents about that?
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Old October 17th, 2007, 09:17 PM   #791
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No! The 2004 numbers peg it at something like 415k or so. (Forgive me if I am off its been a while since I looked up the data). Being an Ontario highway enthusiast myself, I have no idea why others continue to falsify traffic data to exaggerate traffic levels on the 401.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 09:37 PM   #792
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I have no idea why others continue to falsify traffic data to exaggerate traffic levels on the 401.

That's very SSC-ish. People tend to overrate their countries/cities/highways a LOT here.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 10:57 PM   #793
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Will the 407 eventually surpass the 401 as the busiest highway?

I mean, the highway is only 10 years old and it's already one of the busiest highways in North America.

Seriously, 445k is just...wow. I wouldn't want to drive on that highway.
Trust me, the 407 isn't bad at all. I drive it all the time if I want to cut across Toronto without using the 401, and it's generally a much quicker and less aggravating drive.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 07:47 AM   #794
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No! The 2004 numbers peg it at something like 415k or so. (Forgive me if I am off its been a while since I looked up the data). Being an Ontario highway enthusiast myself, I have no idea why others continue to falsify traffic data to exaggerate traffic levels on the 401.
I think KGB meant that it PEAKS at that value. The average annual AADT is not 500k, and the 415k number you posted looks correct. The official MTO website states 420,800 AADT for 2004 between Weston Road and Highway 400.

Wikipedia states the following: "The 401 is one of the world's busiest highways,[9][10] with an estimated Annual Average Daily Traffic (AADT) of over 500,000 in 2006, between the Weston Road and Highway 400 interchanges in Toronto.[2]"

According to Wikipedia, then, in 2006 the AADT was 500,000 in that small (~2km) section of the highway, although the source it quotes (#2) doesn't seem to have this information, so I'm not sure about its validity.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 11:45 PM   #795
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401 is as wide as it is because the Richview/Crosstown/East Gardiner were never built.




Personally, I'd like 400 extended to the Gardiner, but in a way that won't harm the city. I'd also like to see Highway 448 built, and that's it. Just for the sake of connecting a broken network and relieving some congestion. Four additional subway lines and a plethora of LRTs should take care of the rest.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 08:30 AM   #796
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I'm really glad that 1966 plan never happened. Sure the DVP is pretty badly overcrowded, but at the same time it's a hell of a lot better than having half a dozen highways criss-crossing central Toronto. Though that Queen subway... I wish!

And out of curiosity, do you know why the Spadina side of the Y-U-S line is highlighted on that top map?

Finally, because no one has given it any love yet:

Highway 115











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Old October 19th, 2007, 08:46 AM   #797
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I think KGB meant that it PEAKS at that value.
I think so too..perhaps it's why he used the word "peaks". Perhaps these two jolly chaps who accused him of "falsifying" data don't know the difference?




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Old October 19th, 2007, 08:49 AM   #798
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Well, all the available data is up to 2004, so strictly speaking, it is possible that nowadays the average AADT in that section is close to 500k.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 02:59 PM   #799
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Are you sure we aren't just being very SSC-ish...falsfying and exaggerating data for the purpose of overrating a highway? It is what we do a LOT of here, you know.




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I know because I am in school to work with this type of data professionally. an aadt can't be a peak value because it is a daily average for the year, by definition. Perhaps there are days where there are 500,000vpd on the highway, though there isn't any supporting MTO documentation that I have seen to verify that, but an aadt of anything above 415,000 or so is made up. period.
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