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Old May 6th, 2008, 08:19 AM   #1041
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Can you now travel all the way to the Quebec border from Halifax with no stops? I have tried NB transportation website and keep saying about all the roads, especially the TCH, being twinned but that doesn't mean it freeway/limited access standard.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #1042
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No there are non-twinned sections in New Brunswick, north of Woodstock. I drove from Hamilton to Fredericton in October, and there was a section, about 100km long that was not twinned.
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Old May 7th, 2008, 04:55 AM   #1043
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My how I love this thread...

Here is a good picture I have had on my hard drive for quite some time.

I don't remember where I got it from, but it looks neat eh? Its the bottom ramp from the 400/407 interchange I think.

http://images.frozenbear.com:9090/i/...3a1b0_main.jpg

Anyways, I hoped you enjoyed it!

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Old May 8th, 2008, 06:05 AM   #1044
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Yes, the freeways in BC are well maintained but they damnwell should be considering how thin they are. The widest freeway part in all of BC is just 20 km and it's only 3lanes each way. Vancouver's road system is beyond pathetic. This is why Vancouverites have the second longest commutes in Canada after Toronto but not near as short as Montreal's even thou Montreal has a 60% larger population. That is also because Montreal has a great transit system and Vancouver doesn't.
Honestly what are you talking about. Have you ever driven the Coq? Its 6 lanes from Kamloops to Hope. Thats well over 20k, more like 200km. PLUS from Coquitlam to Vancouver is 6 lanes, plus from Merritt to West Bank is 6 lanes.
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Old May 8th, 2008, 06:44 AM   #1045
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^ thats a sweet pic, do you know who owns it? i'd like to put it on my website.

I did some exploring at the 427/QEW interchange last summer:

http://www.onthighways.com/hwy_410-4...7_QEW_8_lg.jpg

http://www.onthighways.com/hwy_410-4...5_north_lg.jpg

http://www.onthighways.com/hwy_410-4...7_QEW_6_lg.jpg

http://www.onthighways.com/hwy_410-4...7_QEW_4_lg.jpg
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:08 AM   #1046
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Americans have a much bigger highway network than Canada. That's obvious from the population differential. The Interstate system is far more extensive than the Canadian network, while some Canadian highways in the sparse areas are only 2 lanes.

However, toll roads are quite a foreign concept in Canada compared to the US.
Actually not true.

As one poster stated in the interim, lots of bridges were tolled in the 1950's to early 1960's. Having grown up in BC, I know the Deas Tunnel and Oak Street Bridge were tolled, as was the Lions Gate Bridge, Second Narrows Bridge, Patullo Bridge, and the Queensborough Bridge. All the former in the Vancouver area. To my surprise, I learned that an itty-bitty bridge built in 1957 in Nelson, BC was also tolled.

It could be said that the ferry link joining the Trans Canada Highway on the Mainland to Vancouver Island (or the Island of Newfoundland) is also tolled, seeing that the inland ferries are free.

At present, the Coquihalla Highway (in BC) is tolled. The construction costs have long been paid off (from the early 1980's), now its a good revenue stream for the BC Govt.

To my knowledge, there is the ETR (ie: Hwy 407) in the Toronto area. And the Confederation Bridge joining the Province of Prince Edward Island to the Mainland is tolled(?).
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:11 AM   #1047
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Traffic flow in the Greater Lakehead

Did you make that schematic on your own?
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:13 AM   #1048
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Montreal is considering some new toll freeways as well. The new a-30 ring road is to be tolled, at least partially, as is the a-25 bridge connecting to a-440.

Do you think the tolls will ever be removed on the coq?
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:13 AM   #1049
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I have a question:When was the ETR(Toronto) built?If I'm not mistaken it's build by the Spanish right?
I know it is owned in part by the Spanish. Part owner is also SNC-Lavalin of Canada.

Wouldn't make sense (and good politics) for works in Canada to be built by canadian workers; and works in Spain to be built by spanish workers?
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:15 AM   #1050
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Do you think the tolls will ever be removed on the coq?
As long at the BC Govt doesn't "give" it to a private venture, they can do what they want.

There was an attempt (to give it to a private venture). The govt backed down after a huge hue and cry.
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:18 AM   #1051
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Honestly what are you talking about. Have you ever driven the Coq? Its 6 lanes from Kamloops to Hope. Thats well over 20k, more like 200km. PLUS from Coquitlam to Vancouver is 6 lanes, plus from Merritt to West Bank is 6 lanes.
All six lanes?

I know the climbing and descending parts are six lanes, but there are parts between Merritt and Hope that I know are (were?) four lanes.

By the way, how is the new divided highway part between Merritt and Aspen Grove, in order for connecting to the Okanagan Connector?
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:22 AM   #1052
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Its a good thing that Alberta is the leader in four laning the TCH from one side of their province to the other.

Is all of SK and MB now four laned as well?

Northwestern Ontario, as they say, is the forgotten corner of Ontario (Hopefully the constitution or whatever can be changed so these dudes can join with MB). That is, after every-one else in Canader has four-laned the TCH, Queens Park will - after a hundred years - not even register that (part of) their province is still in the dark ages.
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:27 AM   #1053
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I know it is owned in part by the Spanish. Part owner is also SNC-Lavalin of Canada.

Wouldn't make sense (and good politics) for works in Canada to be built by canadian workers; and works in Spain to be built by spanish workers?
Actually, as I previously stated, it looks like the 407 ETR was built by a Canadian company (although I don't know the nationality of the actual people working on building it). It was sold to the Spanish (and some others) later on, already in built state.
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:33 AM   #1054
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A forest fire near the Trans-Canada in BC, 2003:
With that Highway sign indicating "Banff", I'd say that fire is in Alberta.

Good picture, though. Thanks.
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Its a good thing that Alberta is the leader in four laning the TCH from one side of their province to the other.

Is all of SK and MB now four laned as well?

Northwestern Ontario, as they say, is the forgotten corner of Ontario (Hopefully the constitution or whatever can be changed so these dudes can join with MB). That is, after every-one else in Canader has four-laned the TCH, Queens Park will - after a hundred years - not even register that (part of) their province is still in the dark ages.
There is no point in twinning the TCH through northern Ontario. What needs to be done and is being done, is twin around large centres and to connect The Soo with Sudbury and then southern Ontario when the 400 is done. There is not enough traffic to warrant twinning the entire TCH be it 11 or 17. Maybe creating passing lanes on ascents and descents, but thats it.
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Great pics! It would be better if you posted them right in the thread, since people who skim over without reading text might not realize new pictures were posted. They need to be made smaller beforehand though
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Yeah, twinning is probably not necessary at this point (the economics simply don't warrant it).

However, if what I heard and read previously in this thread is true, then its geometry needs to be completely redesigned and rebuilt in many places, especially near the Ontario-Manitoba border, since I've seen some pictures of either Highway 11 or 17 (sorry, not familiar with these areas) winding down a mountain almost like a serpentine, with narrow lanes and no lighting.

This is good for a back country road or a scenic route, not a major national connection. According to people who've driven on this road before, it is extremely dangerous at night.

I believe that while it can be left as a 2-lane highway until traffic volumes increase, it at least should be a high-quality 2-lane road, like some of the 2-lane highways in Southern Ontario. I've driven on sections of Highway 26 around the Wasaga Beach area, and it was a pleasure to drive on, even though it's a 2-lane road.
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I wonder if the government leased the 407 so that governments wouldn't have to take the blame for rising toll costs.

To keep the highway congestion free, the tolls have to keep increasing to reduce the average drivers desire to use the highway. This is a unpopular policy, but conveniently Ontarioans get to blame the 407 consortium rather than the Ontario government.
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There is no point in twinning the TCH through northern Ontario.
I beg to differ.

True, the volume is not there, given the poor state (and slow speed) of the existing road. At present it just gets diverted.

At present, I am inclined to be of the opinion, that this gap produces an "insular" attitude between the west and the east (Let's remain separated !!, or divided we stand, united we fall).

Given the volume of traffic to the west (in the Prairie provinces) on the TCH, I would think that twinning the highway would lead to more traffic throughout northern Ontario, and perchance be a "magnet" for expansion and growth, which would benefit all around.

And that excuse about hard rock in northern Ontario, is just that, an excuse.

Thinking how it is that the BC and Federal Govt's are "throwing money" and twinning the TCH at the most expensive parts first, suggests there is willingness in other parts of Canada to tackle challenge head-on.

After the hard rock, steep mountain sides, and no place to put a highway Golden is done, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Salmon Arm-Sicamous and/or Field-Spiral Tunnels area are done next.
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sonysnob: Sorry, like I said, I am not sure where I got that image from.

Nice pics by the way!
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