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Old August 4th, 2008, 06:34 AM   #1181
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I don't understand why they don't run a ferry from Vancouver to Squamish for the Olympics. I guess that would make too much sense. At least have it as a back-up plan in case this happens in 2010.

It's a gorgeous drive though... I love Porteau Cove (thats where the slide happened).
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Old August 4th, 2008, 06:35 AM   #1182
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Some really exciting new highways are proposed in Northern Canada.
1 Up the west shore of Hudson Bay from Gillam, Manitoba to Rankin Inlet in Inuvit.(1200KM)
2 All weather road along the Mackenzie river valley to Inuvik. In part replacing existing winter road.
3 Winter road NE from Yellowknife to be replaced with an all weather road. ( this is the highway featured in the TV series " Ice Road Truckers')
4 A highway southwest from Bathurst Inlet to link up with 3 above at Contwoyto Lake giving a route from Yellowknife to the Arctic Ocean.
Anyone got more detailed info on these projects?
this is exciting stuff.... open up that frontier!
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Old August 4th, 2008, 07:33 AM   #1183
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I don't understand why they don't run a ferry from Vancouver to Squamish for the Olympics. I guess that would make too much sense. At least have it as a back-up plan in case this happens in 2010.

It's a gorgeous drive though... I love Porteau Cove (thats where the slide happened).
From what I hear, the Squamish dock was let to run down over time now being deemed unsafe for use. They have three Pacificats owned by Washington Marine Group that have sat for about 7 years. From what I also hear, the VANOC is not responsible for the highway and transportation minister Kevin Falcon has his ignorance level up at around 100%. Backup plan? Might be too little too late and even I'm wondering if this is going to be a total bust.
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Old August 4th, 2008, 07:50 AM   #1184
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From what I hear, the Squamish dock was let to run down over time now being deemed unsafe for use. They have three Pacificats owned by Washington Marine Group that have sat for about 7 years. From what I also hear, the VANOC is not responsible for the highway and transportation minister Kevin Falcon has his ignorance level up at around 100%. Backup plan? Might be too little too late and even I'm wondering if this is going to be a total bust.
VANOC is not responsible for building the highway, but they are definitely responsible for providing athletes, media, officials, volunteers, VIP's, and spectators with transportation between Whistler and Vancouver. And VANOC will do so by renting out thousands of buses to create its own Olympic transportation fleet. During the bid, the plan was to use a combination of buses on the expanded highway and a 16 fleet of 500-passenger high speed ferries between Canada Place and Richmond and Squamish.

We'll know about VANOC's transportation plan when it is unveiled this fall.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 04:09 AM   #1185
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Just a few photos I found from July 1, when I went to watch the Canada Day fireworks with my friends.

Gardiner Expressway:


Lakeshore Boulevard (time: 21:17):


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Lakeshore Boulevard (a few moments later... traffic was very bad):
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Old August 6th, 2008, 05:57 AM   #1186
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The only good thing about tearing down the Gardiner is that it is such an ultra-left radical plan that it may be just enough to get Miller kicked out of office.

First of all, I've crossed the rail tracks and highway numerous times by foot to the waterfront, and it isn't that bad in the least. For those who do feel it is, there is the Harbourfront LRT that does a fantastic job connecting pedestrians to the waterfront. If you really want to invest in making our waterfront people friendly, take the money used to tear down the Gardiner and make the Harbourfront streetcars free (it may be difficult to implement due to the design of Union station, but may be worth the effort).

Secondly, we can all agree that most traffic from the DVP/Gardiner combo is heading for the downtown core, correct? So while I am still against it, would it not make more sense to take out the Gardiner between Yonge and York (possibly Spadina)? Instead, we are creating an unnecessary jog in Toronto's highway network in 'hopes' to spur development. As of now, it will simply be "connecting" the run down factories of the Harbourfront to the junkies and hookers of Dundas and Sherbourne. The central Harbourfront has developed quite nicely with the Gardiner, I do not see how creating congestion is going to help the east Harbourfront develop any better.
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Old August 6th, 2008, 08:44 AM   #1187
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Horrible decision. We hardly have enough expressways in Toronto as it is. It won't reduce traffic, but rather will simply make commutes less efficient and more lengthy, and won't improve the waterfront one bit.

The waterfront needs improvement as it is, without consideration for any freeways. A lot can be done there. Replacing a freeway with a regular street with traffic lights is the most retarded thing in the world.
Then start being more responsible, and move downtown. That will get rid of your commute all together. Toronto isn't some driving range for you and your car. We should pave over parts of this city with freeways so selfish people like you can get here quicker? That's the most arrogant thing I've heard all month.

Keep your car, its smog, your environmentally irresponsible attitudes, and yourself in your suburb. You obviously don't live here, so you don't get a say as to how we develop it for the people that LIVE here. You wouldn't take kindly to us paving over your lawn so we can get to the other side with more ease, so don't do it to us. Unbelievable.

Street level in Toronto is for people, not machines. The Gardiner? Bury it, or level it. Maybe those irresponsible commuters will finally see the wisdom in doing something for the planet, doing something for Toronto, and pushing for adequate rail infrastructure. It's always about their selfish interests. Self absorbed or what.

And no, I'm not some left leaning hippy. Right of centre, actually.

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Old August 6th, 2008, 12:52 PM   #1188
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In my experience the railroad is far more oppressive to pedestrians than the highway. If you could bury them both and create a park on top that would be incredible! Otherwise levelling the Gardiner won't actually achieve very much.
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Old August 6th, 2008, 02:29 PM   #1189
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Then start being more responsible, and move downtown. That will get rid of your commute all together. Toronto isn't some driving range for you and your car. We should pave over parts of this city with freeways so selfish people like you can get here quicker? That's the most arrogant thing I've heard all month.

Keep your car, its smog, your environmentally irresponsible attitudes, and yourself in your suburb. You obviously don't live here, so you don't get a say as to how we develop it for the people that LIVE here. You wouldn't take kindly to us paving over your lawn so we can get to the other side with more ease, so don't do it to us. Unbelievable.

Street level in Toronto is for people, not machines. The Gardiner? Bury it, or level it. Maybe those irresponsible commuters will finally see the wisdom in doing something for the planet, doing something for Toronto, and pushing for adequate rail infrastructure. It's always about their selfish interests. Self absorbed or what.

And no, I'm not some left leaning hippy. Right of centre, actually.
Maybe not a hippy, but still not very intelligent.

Do you think that business needs any more reason to move to Mississauga? Punishing comuters who use their cars is nothing short of dumb. And what of the residents who might just want to by-pass downtown? Its not like there is another way around downtown.
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Old August 6th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #1190
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Massive highways indeed
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Old August 6th, 2008, 09:06 PM   #1191
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Then start being more responsible, and move downtown. That will get rid of your commute all together. Toronto isn't some driving range for you and your car. We should pave over parts of this city with freeways so selfish people like you can get here quicker? That's the most arrogant thing I've heard all month.

Keep your car, its smog, your environmentally irresponsible attitudes, and yourself in your suburb. You obviously don't live here, so you don't get a say as to how we develop it for the people that LIVE here. You wouldn't take kindly to us paving over your lawn so we can get to the other side with more ease, so don't do it to us. Unbelievable.

Street level in Toronto is for people, not machines. The Gardiner? Bury it, or level it. Maybe those irresponsible commuters will finally see the wisdom in doing something for the planet, doing something for Toronto, and pushing for adequate rail infrastructure. It's always about their selfish interests. Self absorbed or what.

And no, I'm not some left leaning hippy. Right of centre, actually.
I take the bus and subway everyday. Before you resort to personal attacks, please do your homework.
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Old August 6th, 2008, 09:16 PM   #1192
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Then start being more responsible, and move downtown. That will get rid of your commute all together. Toronto isn't some driving range for you and your car. We should pave over parts of this city with freeways so selfish people like you can get here quicker? That's the most arrogant thing I've heard all month.

Keep your car, its smog, your environmentally irresponsible attitudes, and yourself in your suburb. You obviously don't live here, so you don't get a say as to how we develop it for the people that LIVE here. You wouldn't take kindly to us paving over your lawn so we can get to the other side with more ease, so don't do it to us. Unbelievable.

Street level in Toronto is for people, not machines. The Gardiner? Bury it, or level it. Maybe those irresponsible commuters will finally see the wisdom in doing something for the planet, doing something for Toronto, and pushing for adequate rail infrastructure. It's always about their selfish interests. Self absorbed or what.

And no, I'm not some left leaning hippy. Right of centre, actually.
Do you really believe that there is enough housing in downtown Toronto to hold all of the people who work in downtown Toronto? (Or any other city for that matter?)

Do you really believe that everyone who works in downtown Toronto can afford to live in downtown Toronto? How about the person who cleans your office every night? Should they just buy a condo on the waterfront?
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Old August 7th, 2008, 01:29 AM   #1193
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Then start being more responsible, and move downtown. That will get rid of your commute all together. Toronto isn't some driving range for you and your car. We should pave over parts of this city with freeways so selfish people like you can get here quicker? That's the most arrogant thing I've heard all month.

Keep your car, its smog, your environmentally irresponsible attitudes, and yourself in your suburb. You obviously don't live here, so you don't get a say as to how we develop it for the people that LIVE here. You wouldn't take kindly to us paving over your lawn so we can get to the other side with more ease, so don't do it to us. Unbelievable.

Street level in Toronto is for people, not machines. The Gardiner? Bury it, or level it. Maybe those irresponsible commuters will finally see the wisdom in doing something for the planet, doing something for Toronto, and pushing for adequate rail infrastructure. It's always about their selfish interests. Self absorbed or what.

And no, I'm not some left leaning hippy. Right of centre, actually.
Thing is, is that the Gardiner isn't paving over anyone's lawn right now. Maybe if you go back 50 years, but go back 100 years and Parkdale was a suburb of Toronto . Also, it is not as if people downtown don't have cars and don't want to get around quickly.

With that said, I find it very asinine that the eastbound ramp to downtown from Jamison is blocked off during the morning rush hour, and does further your point that the Gardiner only benefits suburbanites.
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Old August 7th, 2008, 01:31 AM   #1194
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Not as bad as Houston
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Old August 7th, 2008, 03:57 PM   #1195
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With that said, I find it very asinine that the eastbound ramp to downtown from Jamison is blocked off during the morning rush hour, and does further your point that the Gardiner only benefits suburbanites.

I wouldn't go that far. The Gardiner allows many companies to have goods and services delivered to them at a cheaper cost. Not all businesses downtown are say... electrical or plumbing contractors. The banks and other institutions need these services and sometimes goods on short notice and the fastest route for a last minute change tends to be highways.

I also seriously doubt that the fine people of Parkdale would like cube vans and large trucks going down Queen St. if there was an alternative.
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Old August 7th, 2008, 04:05 PM   #1196
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I too am unsure of why a grade level road is supposed to be a better solution.
It seems like a very silly idea. At least with raised roads, you can walk under them, thereby keeping the area 'in contact' with the city and not creating a gigantic barrier between the areas. A tunnel would be great, expensive but it would certainly dissolve any barriers and open up new prime locations for development. But replacing a huge busy highway with a road is just.... well... the epitome of bad planning.

Meanwhile, I can't believe how big these freeways in Canada are. I didn't think they'd be that way, they look bigger than many in the US.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 04:54 AM   #1197
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I wouldn't go that far. The Gardiner allows many companies to have goods and services delivered to them at a cheaper cost. Not all businesses downtown are say... electrical or plumbing contractors. The banks and other institutions need these services and sometimes goods on short notice and the fastest route for a last minute change tends to be highways.

I also seriously doubt that the fine people of Parkdale would like cube vans and large trucks going down Queen St. if there was an alternative.
I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The eastbound ramp from Jameson Ave in Parkdale to downtown is blocked off during the morning rush hour. What this means is that if I lived at Jameson and King and worked at Bay and Front, I would have to take Lake Shore, despite there being a highway right in my backyard.
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Old August 10th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #1198
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Do you really believe that everyone who works in downtown Toronto can afford to live in downtown Toronto? How about the person who cleans your office every night? Should they just buy a condo on the waterfront?
Well, they should be more responsible and not be poor.
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Old August 11th, 2008, 05:49 AM   #1199
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I just uploaded the first video of my trip to Ottawa (somewhat late). It includes the entire Highway 416, which connects Highway 401 to Trans-Canada Highway 417. It also includes a short drive in Ottawa and then Gatineau, which is located in another province (Quebec). As I cross the bridge from Ottawa to Gatineau, the style of traffic lights changes. More details are in the video description.

NOTE: The video is available in high quality, and I'm not sure how to directly embed a high quality video (if someone does, please enlighten me), so to be sure, open it in Youtube

I will also upload a video which covers a large section of Highway 401 going westbound (back to Toronto), including the large section in Toronto with the collector/express system. Hopefully I'll get that done in the coming few days.

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I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The eastbound ramp from Jameson Ave in Parkdale to downtown is blocked off during the morning rush hour. What this means is that if I lived at Jameson and King and worked at Bay and Front, I would have to take Lake Shore, despite there being a highway right in my backyard.
Theres a sneaky way to avoid that, just carry on as if you're going into the CNE... theres an on ramp on your left thats always open.
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