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Old July 8th, 2005, 06:38 PM   #141
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You are obviously suffering the effects of exhaust fumes if you can't work out why many people around the globe oppose these enormous roads.
Freeflowing highways actually are a good way to minimize exhaust polution from vehicles. Idling vehicles (like they would idle at a traffic signal on a major arterial) cause much more polution then a vehicle traveling at highway speeds on a freeway.

Food for thought.

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Old July 9th, 2005, 07:25 AM   #142
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Freeflowing highways actually are a good way to minimize exhaust polution from vehicles. Idling vehicles (like they would idle at a traffic signal on a major arterial) cause much more polution then a vehicle traveling at highway speeds on a freeway.

Food for thought.

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Are you kidding? The 401 is like the largest parking lot in Canada!
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Old July 9th, 2005, 07:53 PM   #143
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It probably is the longest 12-lane span of freeway in the world. But it only extends from Etobicoke to Pickering, not Mississauga


At one point, yes, but this record has been surpassed at least once. Afterall, everything is bigger in Texas.


This one is just funny ... the 400/401 interchange isn't even the busiest in Ontario, let along North America.

Wikipedia strikes again ...

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Actually according to Wikipedia, everything you said is wrong, and the earlier claims are correct.
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Old July 9th, 2005, 08:30 PM   #144
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Im glad we won't ever have that in Vancouver, thats probably one reason Toronto gets so much smog. Toronto does have amazing highways, great photos.
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Old July 9th, 2005, 08:41 PM   #145
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Most of the smog comes from America. Toronto's highways are underbuilt (Good thing or bad thing depending on your view), I love the way the 401 looks.
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Old July 10th, 2005, 03:04 AM   #146
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LOL - the largest parking lot in Canada - wow. Hahaha yeah, most of our smog comes from the US and the Nanticoke Power Plant somewhere in south-western Ontario. How are the highways in Vancouver? People there use PT anyway, right?

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Old July 11th, 2005, 02:18 AM   #147
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Are you kidding? The 401 is like the largest parking lot in Canada!
This is true. But just imagine how much worse Toronto arterials would be if there was no 401? Toronto would certainly be more of a parking lot on the whole without the 401.
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Old July 11th, 2005, 02:21 AM   #148
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Actually according to Wikipedia, everything you said is wrong, and the earlier claims are correct.
I realize what Wikipedia says, but believe it or not, Wikipedia is dead wrong. This is why I put 'Wikipedia strikes again' in my earlier post, as yet again, false information has been shown as facts on the wikipedia site ... pitty.

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Old July 11th, 2005, 02:47 AM   #149
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Interesting - had no idea Toronto was so spread out. Looks like LA.
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Old July 14th, 2005, 03:02 PM   #150
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just a little disclaimer here....

the 401 isn't soley a Toronto highway. It is the backbone of trade and transportation of Southern and Eastern Ontario, an area of about 10 million people. It handles a large percentage of Canada's trade with the US.

When it was built in the 60's, it more or less bypassed Toronto. Now, it does serve as a commuter highway as well (thus the multitude of lanes).... only because Toronto never built many commuter highways, unlike other NA cities. Toronto has the highest percentile transit ridership in NA (or something to that effect).

Just wanted to add that, since pictures don't tell the whole story.
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Old July 14th, 2005, 03:28 PM   #151
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My god that is ugly. Impressive, but so ugly! You definitely dont find this sort of stuff in Australia.
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Old July 15th, 2005, 12:11 AM   #152
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Hwy 401/Allen Rd circa 1967
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Old July 24th, 2005, 08:01 AM   #153
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Added a couple pics, telling you this as a way to bump the thread
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Old July 24th, 2005, 08:57 AM   #154
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The DVP makes for really enjoyable driving (when it's not a car park). The whole highway just flows, and most of the scenery is pretty great.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 05:24 AM   #155
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Toronto: Vienna Surrounded by Phoenix

I still remember that some urban geographer commented that Toronto is "Vienna surrounded by Phoenix". Slight exaggeration, though not that far the mark.

Most of the areas south of the 401 in Toronto (like the shots that have the CN tower and the Lake Ontario on the top) and some of the transit corridors (notably Yonge Street north of the 401 in North York) are fairly dense, compact, walkable -- even the old single family dwellings are closely bunched together but hidden under a canopy of trees that make Toronto so lovely in the summer.

But the suburban areas do sprawl like LA. Milton (North West of Toronto) to Oshawa (Far East of Toronto) is more than 100 km along the 401 (calculated from the distance-marked exits) and it is pretty much continuous sprawl, as is Stoney Creek to Toronto (over 60 km) and even northwards on the 400 (Maple) or 404 (Richmond Hill) over 50 km to the lake.

They are trying to contain it with a greenbelt / farmland initiative, particularly to the north of the city (Oakridge Moraine) where the headwaters of the rivers to Lake Ontario are. But I don't understand how much fine print and loop holes there are, and there is always opposition from the developers and the farmers who want to make money off land speculation.

The area ain't virgin forest -- it has been long settled -- but it is some of the most fertile farmland in Canada and unique microclimates (e.g., Niagara escarpment) that enable crops like peaches to grow (the so-called Carolinian forest -- you don't find that for another 700 miles down further south until you reach Georgia).

The interesting part is that you do get to choose between living in Vienna and Phoenix.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 06:53 AM   #156
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Toronto's urban sprawl...

About Toronto's urban sprawl, though, is it more sprawling than L.A.?
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Old August 5th, 2005, 06:55 AM   #157
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About Toronto's urban sprawl, though, is it more sprawling than L.A.?
I think LA is denser overall.
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About Toronto's urban sprawl, though, is it more sprawling than L.A.?

LA is far bigger and more sprawling -- with about 18 Million people and about 3000 square miles in the Los Angeles Basin.

Toronto (GTA) has about 6 Million though I am not sure of the exact urbanized area (I think the official definition of the GTA puts it roughly the same size, though most of it is still rural with some forested sections -- the concept of the GTA was created in part to coordinate growth and maintain green belts).

LA's sprawl is denser -- Toronto's sprawl is continuous only along the major traffic corridors and there patches of undeveloped areas in between. Still, it is easy to rack up 50 to 80 km distances from one place to another (for business meetings, deliveries, etc.).
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Wish my city had highways like Toronto's!
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LA is far bigger and more sprawling -- with about 18 Million people and about 3000 square miles in the Los Angeles Basin.

Toronto (GTA) has about 6 Million though I am not sure of the exact urbanized area (I think the official definition of the GTA puts it roughly the same size, though most of it is still rural with some forested sections -- the concept of the GTA was created in part to coordinate growth and maintain green belts).

LA's sprawl is denser -- Toronto's sprawl is continuous only along the major traffic corridors and there patches of undeveloped areas in between. Still, it is easy to rack up 50 to 80 km distances from one place to another (for business meetings, deliveries, etc.).
Actually. I believe the actual "Greater LA" sprawls those 18 million people over an area of 87 000sq km (34 000sq miles).

Toronto's GTA sprawls 5.5 million people over 7 000sq km (4 300 sq miles).
The Golden Horseshoe sprawls 8 million people over an area much larger.

If you used LA's size, the comparable GTA would be more like 10 million.
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