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Old July 18th, 2009, 12:41 AM   #61
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It´s been a great surprise for me to find this thread, i had the idea that the HSL project in Portugal was totally stopped and blocked by the government but now i see those pics and i realize the it´s still U/C and doing great!

Congrats Portugal, that´s gonna be a real step forward to have a great comunication system in all the senses, first with your motorways and now with the railways!
The HSL projects in portugal date from late 90's ... and they were never stopped.


Theres a couple of "ultra fast" mainlines that are still to be built (not a single sleeper placed yet) but the other routes are constantly being built/upgraded.

The portuguese section of the Aveiro/Coimbra(Pampilhosa)-guarda-Salamanca-Medina was upgraded/electrified way back in 1995 and we are still waiting for the spanish electrification (wich was due to be innaugurated in 2008 acording to some "politically" sources ... namely a plate in the Salamanca station stating such thing)

Porto-Galicia(Vigo and beyond) it was renovated/modernized to the 2004 Eurocup ... but only up to Braga (some 50km).

Lisboa-Badajoz-Madrid is half modernized with some sections rebuilt to 200km/h and another one completelly reconstructed as a 250km/h route (still has no signaling or electrification installed today so it's stuck at 120km/h wich is the top speed of diesel traction nowadays)

Lisboa-Porto and Lisboa-Algarve are both "half" modernized (to anything above 160km/h) and "half" in a deep hole because of the incoming HSL projects ...

The HSL routes themselves consist of a "brand new" Lisboa-Porto and Braga-Vigo (projects due to enter the construction phase in the next year or something like that) and a new Lisboa-Badajoz HSL ... it was decided to postpone for a couple of days/weeks/months(???) the finnal anouncement of the winning proposal due to the proximity of both national and municipal elections to the previous anounced date.

They just postponed that particular decision ... nothing has been canned.

And there are works in the old conventional routes here and there ... the major one being the Alcaçer variant (that bridge over there) and a couple of electrifications

v.novas-Evora on the lisboa-madrid route will be next so out of the 180km separatin lisboa from badajoz (spain) there will be some 100km modernized and at-up-to 250km/h as early as late this year or early next year.
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Old September 4th, 2009, 12:39 AM   #62
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More HSR news:

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Alta velocidade: Governo lança concurso para estudos de TGV em Aveiro
O Governo, através da empresa Rede Ferroviária de Alta Velocidade (RAVE), prepara-se para lançar esta semana o concurso público para a elaboração do estudo prévio e do estudo de impacte ambiental para o troço entre Aveiro e Celorico da Beira do eixo de TGV até Salamanca

A linha Aveiro/Salamanca foi, em 2005, uma das previstas na apresentação do projecto de alta velocidade, mas acabaria por não ser considerada prioritária pelo Governo.
O valor estimado para esta fase do processo é de 1,8 milhões de euros.
Os consórcios interessados em concorrer, na sua maioria empresas de engenharia, têm 60 dias para apresentar propostas, que serão depois avaliadas pela RAVE.
O custo da proposta terá um peso relevante na escolha (65 por cento), ao passo que os restantes 35 por cento incidem na qualidade das propostas.
(Ler artigo completo na edição em papel)

Diário de Aveiro


para quem andava com medo...
Sorry : in portuguese only:

Basically it's an anouncement concerning the Aveiro-Salamanca line , they are begining the studies about the Aveiro-Celorico section (the 100km in the west section of the route) ... the other section has already been prepared/studied/projected a long time ago (it was modernized/rebuilt to 160km/h back in 1996) ...

So we get another 100km of HSR in the planing stages ...

Built/Under construction:
150km Lisboa-Funcheira (lisboa-algarve-andalucia route)
30km C.Branca-Evora (lisboa-madrid "conventional" route)
200km Lisboa-Porto (some sections of the "old" route)
= 380km currently in exploration/use at speeds of 200km/h or above (some sections in construction/upgrading)

In studies/planning stages
300km Lisboa-Porto (the entire "new" route)
60km Lisboa-Porto (some sections of the "old" route)
200km Lisboa-Badajoz (lisboa-madrid "fast"+"conventional" routes) <<< It should have been already in construction but they decided to wait for the national elections
80km Lisboa-Badajoz (lisboa-madrid "conventional" route)
40km Sines-grandola (likely will became a freight route)
60km Braga-Valença (Porto-vigo "fast" route)
50km Porto-Braga (Porto-vigo "fast" route being upgraded)
180km Aveiro-Celorico + Celorico-VFormoso (Aveiro-Salamanca route)
= 970km of new/upgraded HSR being studied/planned already

Future Projects:
connections to Beja , Faro and Southern spain are still only lines on paper (these will add some 250km more to the HSR network).

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Old September 14th, 2009, 09:40 PM   #63
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I heard in the news that Portugal could cancel all the HSR projects if the opposition party won the elections... is that true? Do they have any possibility of winning?
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Old September 18th, 2009, 02:03 PM   #64
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it´s true... and yes, they have possibilities to win the coming election... we will soon know, because the election will take place at the end of next week
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Old September 29th, 2009, 10:28 AM   #65
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Another one bites the dust:

http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/P...ailed&sb=Title

Nortern section of the "new" Northern Line

Gaia-Oliveira do Bairro section on the Porto-Gaia-Ol.Bairro-Lisboa HSL.

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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:04 AM   #66
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Just found this picture somewhere (urbanity.es?)

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Old October 15th, 2009, 02:03 PM   #67
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Beautiful photo, Sotavento, but do we know where it is? It does look like the Tego river valley, of course, but for all I know it could be any river valley anywhere on the Iberic peninsula.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 06:34 PM   #68
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Nope, it isn´t Tejo river for sure.. theres no rail bridge being built over tejo..
i believe its the "Alcacer do Sal" by-pass, shown on post #44, in an earlier phase. that river over there it´s named Sado.
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Old December 12th, 2009, 05:09 AM   #69
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1st section awarded ... 160km from the outskirts of lisboa (Poceirão) to the border with spain near badajoz (Caia)

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Governo adjudica amanhã primeiro troço da Alta Velocidade
O primeiro ministro José Sócrates e o ministro das Obras Pública António Mendonça adjudicam amanhã o primeiro troço de Alta Velocidade, entre o Poceirão e Caia, sendo que o vencedor deverá ser o consórcio da Brisa e Soares da Costa.

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O primeiro ministro José Sócrates e o ministro das Obras Pública António Mendonça adjudicam amanhã o primeiro troço de Alta Velocidade, entre o Poceirão e Caia, sendo que o vencedor deverá ser o consórcio da Brisa e Soares da Costa.

Em comunicado, aliás, o Governo já vai dando a entender, quando refere “um investimento de 1,359 mil milhões de euros”, valor que foi apresentado por este consórcio. O Ministério das Obras Públicas adiantou ainda que “a construção será iniciada em 2010, devendo estar concluída no final de 2013”, altura em que se iniciará a operação.

“O objecto desta concessão inclui o projecto, a construção, o financiamento, a manutenção e a disponibilização do conjunto de infra-estruturas ferroviárias do troço Poceirão -Caia, em que também se integra o troço Évora-Caia da linha convencional de mercadorias Sines-Évora-Elvas-Caia e a nova estação de Évora”, de acordo com o mesmo comunicado.
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in Jornal de Negocios
Sorry , portuguese only ... tomorrow som english sources should surface.


So the only section of the future HSR entwork that will not mirror any existing railway has received a green light already (will so today).
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Old December 15th, 2009, 01:41 AM   #70
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It's about time!
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Old December 17th, 2009, 05:11 AM   #71
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Beautiful photo, Sotavento, but do we know where it is? It does look like the Tego river valley, of course, but for all I know it could be any river valley anywhere on the Iberic peninsula.
I hadn't see this post before !!! How stupid of me ...


... not anywhere on the peninsula at all ... it's the same section or railway under construction as in my previous post/quote on top of this page ... it was taken during the earlier stages of construction but it alows us to se a great extention of that particular section (it's 25km long).

This is a section of the Sines-Madrid-France European Uniona designated priority route.

In this map (below) is the conection of the southernmost blue sections (actually its the dot in between them) :



when it is complete there will be a 150km long HSL linking lisboa all the way to the south ... nowadays we have two distinct sections.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 01:02 AM   #72
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TGV in Portugal!

A new Railways is going to Link Portugal to Spains with a new TGV Line

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Old May 7th, 2010, 05:48 AM   #73
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Wouldn't the economic crisis cause this project to be first on the chopping block?
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Old May 7th, 2010, 06:37 AM   #74
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Blue raven I Agree with you me and the rest of the population here in Portugal, but our prime minister is a facist that doesn´t care about anything that people in his country say!
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Old May 7th, 2010, 06:48 AM   #75
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I don't see it happening. With Portugal's credit rating dropping everyday.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 09:09 AM   #76
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Better use of the money would be to stop themselves turning into the next Greece. The line can come later.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 11:46 AM   #77
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There is already a thread about High Speed Trains in Portugal

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=595078


There are 3 lines planned and 2 more in Project:

Lisboa»»»Madrid (2h45»»640Km[203Km in PT] ) --- planned to 2013 [Price: 2,4 MM€]

The contract of the first sector of the line (Poceirão-Caia [PT-ESP border]) is to be signed tomorrow (08-05-2010) for the price of 1359 Million Euros, and only 92 Million are to be loan by banks.

Maximum speed in portuguese territory is of 350Km/h!


Lisboa»»»Porto (1h15»»»292Km) --- planned to 2017 [Price: 4,5 MM€]

Maximum speed is of 300Km/h!


Porto»»»Vigo (1h»»125Km[100Km in PT]) --- planned to 2017 [Price: 0,845 MM€]

Maximum speed in portuguese territory is of 250Km/h!


Aveiro»»»Salamanca (in project)


Évora»»Faro»»Huelva (in project)





Site of the portuguese company responsible for the studies of the project:

www.rave.pt


P.S.: Yes our public counts are a little bad, yes this projects could be postponed for a few years, but our international rating is bad not because of us, but because of the unfounded international speculation!!!

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that´s were all our money that we don´t have is going to..........
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And still the country desperately has to cut public spending. The opposition brought up the issue of infrastructure projects (HSR, Losbons new airport) which would cost huge amounts of money and aren't desperately needed. We'll have to see.
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And still the country desperately has to cut public spending. The opposition brought up the issue of infrastructure projects (HSR, Losbons new airport) which would cost huge amounts of money and aren't desperately needed. We'll have to see.
You have to invest in HSR! It's bigger cost now but lower costs for economy in the future. It's one of the ways to create low cost economy (also with investments in green energy, city transport, public bike transport etc.). I thinks it's better way to spend money for HSR not for banks and loans to Greece.
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