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Old October 14th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #2021
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It's embarrassing.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 09:51 AM   #2022
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That's Belgian country side for you.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 10:00 AM   #2023
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Similar place can be found close to the village I live in here and here or here

Keep in mind these are backroads ofthen only forming connections between small villages of a few hundred people, that ofthen aslo have better roads to connect them aside from these. There is nothing embarracing about it. Most of these roads would very small asphalt roads where cars would have difficulty to pass eachother. In that case give me a 50 year old concrete slab road over that.

I wonder if your beloved country had so many backroads as Belgium weaved in the countryside if they would be of better quality...
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Old October 15th, 2012, 02:47 PM   #2024
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Sorry, but no. There are plenty of country lanes in the Netherlands, there are loads of country lanes here in Austria, nice little roads going through the mountains, connecting some villages. In the UK there are loads and loads, and some are in a bad shape, particularly in the north, but not like in Belgium. Countries like Poland are still recovering from communist times, and are making an effort to do bits by bits, although eastern Germany has worked in a far more advanced way . But we are talking about a country in western Europe, and there is simply no excuse for leaving even the smallest of roads to deteriorate like that.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 02:59 PM   #2025
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Spanish backroads (the ones mantained by local councils) are often in worse shape. And no concrete, just old, deteriorated asphalt.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 03:09 PM   #2026
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This bridge is the border between Belgium and the Netherlands, looking south. The road becomes unpaved in the Netherlands, but there is a detached cycle path

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Old October 15th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #2027
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You guys have too much money.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #2028
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This bridge is the border between Belgium and the Netherlands, looking south. The road becomes unpaved in the Netherlands, but there is a detached cycle path

I'm confused about the geography. You're looking south into the Netherlands?
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Old October 15th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #2029
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Yep, the Baarle-Nassau panhandle
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Notice the bike path is paved though.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:38 AM   #2031
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. But we are talking about a country in western Europe, and there is simply no excuse for leaving even the smallest of roads to deteriorate like that.
I guess you are right. But when there is no money to make those road more modern, there is none. It's as simple as that.

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Also, the road density in the Belgian countryside is higher than in the UK or The Netherlands. That's a fact. There are much more roads to maintain in lets say 10km2 -compaired-, a lot more.


I just zoomed in on the Uk randomly and took the first countryside road of the same caliber I could find: http://goo.gl/maps/U5NSx
I don't know what the big difference is besides that the Belgian ones are in concrete instead of asphalt.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 08:22 PM   #2032
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I don't know what the big difference is besides that the Belgian ones are in concrete instead of asphalt.
No difference but asphalt, mostly laid on concrete, anyway. There is pretty similar 'ye olde' style feeling on many British roads to this one in Belgium (I don't mind). There is even certain amount of motorways and dual carriageways covered with an older concrete in England which don't need the 'photoshop' to let us feel teleported back to sixties. Drive your Triumph Stag only and you are there.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #2033
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I know this subject has already been discussed in this thread, however I am wondering if French style road markings has been implemented somewhere else in Belgium. Pictures taken on N4.





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Old October 17th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #2034
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Between Arlon and Namur, right? I think that's the only place, been there for years as part of a trial scheme.
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The so-called "Ardennes expressways" (N4, N63 & N89). They were built before the motorways were constructed, but not a lot is known about them. I think most of these four-lane divided highways were built in the 1960s. E411 wasn't completed until 1988 and E25 until 1990.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 07:42 PM   #2036
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Quality of N4 is not at all bad. One of the better N-roads in Belgium, and the interrupted shoulder markings on one stretch gives a French feel to it.
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Yes. It's located between junctions with N946 and N921. And it's only such experimantal stretch I know in Belgium, but I may miss something.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 08:03 PM   #2038
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I'm pretty sure it is the only one. Strangely enough, a part of the A10 between Paris and Tours has a uninterrupted hard shoulder.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 12:54 AM   #2039
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According to La Libre Belgique today, the vignette proposal's in trouble with the EU....

http://www.lalibre.be/economie/actua...ns-l-aile.html
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 07:43 PM   #2040
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