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Old November 27th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #2541
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such curious Belgian French words
It's a word used for the word "mayor" in the French-speaking part of Belgium (Wallonia). These are some vocabulary differences such as:

- berme centrale (the divider in the middle of the road) - glissière in France
- bande de circulation (traffic lane) - voie de circulation in France
- bande des pneus crevés (shoulder lane) - bande d'arrêt d'urgence in France
- ring (beltway) - périphérique in France
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Old November 28th, 2015, 01:48 AM   #2542
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I figured, it seems Dutch / German inspiration.
Bande de pneus creves is hilarious

In Canada we have some other ones
- terre-plein for the median divider
- voie (traffic lane)
- accotement (shoulder lane)
No Canadian city with significant francophone population has a beltway so no word exists
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Old November 28th, 2015, 09:47 AM   #2543
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Has A601 been reopened?
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Old November 28th, 2015, 12:02 PM   #2544
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No. They closed the motorway because the condition of pavement is too bad for safe travel. It is not known when there is money for maintenance, so it could be a while before it reopens.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 12:09 PM   #2545
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No. They closed the motorway because the condition of pavement is too bad for safe travel. It is not known when there is money for maintenance, so it could be a while before it reopens.
I asked because Google Maps now shows the road as opened again (instead of dashed out as a month ago)
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Old November 28th, 2015, 03:52 PM   #2546
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I asked because Google Maps now shows the road as opened again (instead of dashed out as a month ago)
I contacted the M.E.T. last year and they said it's not likely to be opened again.

Furthermore, the extension project for the Hauts-Sarts zoning has been changed. Originally, the A601 was supposed to be used as a new exit but is has been ruled out.

As a Walloon citizen, I'm really disappointed by the government at how they handle roads and motorways. The network is really in bad shape. And it's not likely to become better soon.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 03:54 PM   #2547
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I figured, it seems Dutch / German inspiration.
Bande de pneus creves is hilarious

In Canada we have some other ones
- terre-plein for the median divider
- voie (traffic lane)
- accotement (shoulder lane)
No Canadian city with significant francophone population has a beltway so no word exists
Is there still the tendency to eliminate all English words in the French language in Canada?
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Old November 28th, 2015, 03:54 PM   #2548
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No. They closed the motorway because the condition of pavement is too bad for safe travel. It is not known when there is money for maintenance, so it could be a while before it reopens.
In Wallonia, there is no money for anything.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 03:38 PM   #2549
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What about the famous "Plan Routes" of the Walloon government? Has it stopped? Is there any result?
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Old November 29th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #2550
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What is invested better: North or south? If North, then the southern must be invested. Plus few motorways are u/c
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Old November 29th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #2551
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What about the famous "Plan Routes" of the Walloon government? Has it stopped? Is there any result?
The "Plan Route" has helped to enlarge the E42 to 3 lanes in most parts and renovate some viaducts (Cheratte, Beez).

However, it's a drop in the ocean compared to the renovation works the network needs.

I heard that a new plan is in project for 2017.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 11:02 PM   #2552
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What is invested better: North or south? If North, then the southern must be invested. Plus few motorways are u/c
Flanders invests better than Wallonia. Since regions are responsible for road infrastructure you must consider it as two separate countries.

The investments in Flanders have no impact on Wallonia and since Wallonia budget is bad you can't expect road to be better here.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #2553
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Wallonia needs better maintenance, while Flanders needs more capacity. There haven't been a lot of capacity additions over the past 20 years, and Antwerp and Brussels are extremely congested. The road network also means that most traffic has to use the R0 or R1 to travel between provinces, regions or internationally.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 12:01 AM   #2554
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Wallonia needs better maintenance, while Flanders needs more capacity. There haven't been a lot of capacity additions over the past 20 years, and Antwerp and Brussels are extremely congested. The road network also means that most traffic has to use the R0 or R1 to travel between provinces, regions or internationally.
Surprisingly, the contrary has been done. Wallonia added an extra lane on the E42 while Flanders should do it on the E313 (from what I’ve read because I have never been to Antwerp).
And Flanders renovated the surface of some roads while Wallonia should really do it.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 08:15 AM   #2555
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Surprisingly, the contrary has been done. Wallonia added an extra lane on the E42 while Flanders should do it on the E313 (from what I’ve read because I have never been to Antwerp).
And Flanders renovated the surface of some roads while Wallonia should really do it.
WHAT'S CONTRARY? It just obeys the phrase said just before you
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Old November 30th, 2015, 08:32 AM   #2556
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WHAT'S CONTRARY? It just obeys the phrase said just before you
Umm...
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Wallonia added an extra lane on the E42
That's adding capacity (presumably at the expense of maintenance)
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And Flanders renovated the surface of some roads while Wallonia should really do it.
That's a maintenance project...

Basically what I'm getting is that Walloon roads are like American ones, always getting more capacity while the ones that already exist are left to crumble, but Flemish ones are a caricature our ideas of what the Dutch or Germans do, that is keep things like the road surface in tip-top shape but at the expense of ignoring congestion.

So if Walloonia has plenty of capacity and keeps adding at the expense of maintenance, but Flanders maintains theirs well but ignores the need to add extra capacity, then ... they play their roles, and they play the roles that what both sides need to do is indeed contrary to what they are inclined to do.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 04:16 PM   #2557
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E42 is a major truck corridor. And it had space in the median for an additional lane, so the investment was quite low.

The Walloon motorway system has been substantially improved over the past 10 years. I remember those 'route degradée' next 90 km signs on E25 south of Liège. Nearly all of it has been renovated, though the quality is still somewhat mediocre (lower than what one would expect of a renovated motorway).
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Old November 30th, 2015, 05:04 PM   #2558
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I contacted the M.E.T. last year and they said it's not likely to be opened again.
What, ever? As in, may as well take it off the maps?
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Old November 30th, 2015, 06:24 PM   #2559
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Yup.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #2560
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It's not an acute congestion problem, but it may be cheaper to renovate A601 than to rebuild the Vottem cloverleaf to modern standards.
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