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Old December 26th, 2015, 04:22 PM   #2581
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A 3-lane road (not a one-way street!) in Zeveneken (N70).

Luckily that's only the case for 400 meters and the other parts of the road are always 2x2, 2x1 or 1x1. But still, that segment with a "suicide lane" should be removed. It still exists on the satellite imagery of 2014, so it's very likely it's still there.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 12:51 AM   #2582
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What's the purpose of this very weird lane?
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Old December 27th, 2015, 01:04 AM   #2583
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It's basically meant to allow the overtaking of vehicles from both directions. They're nicknamed suicide lanes because the road design tends to result in a lot of head-on collisions of people overtaking others from opposite directions at the same time. It used to be very common actually in Belgium and I guess it was still sort of reasonable when there were fewer vehicles around.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 10:37 AM   #2584
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N70 also used to be the main road from Antwerpen to Gent before the E17 was built.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 03:46 PM   #2585
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It used to be typical layout of all Belgian main roads.

Here is the N3 just east of my home town. Clearly the suicide lane is still present and because the line is not full but dashed in some places, wich allows people to turn for their driveways, overtaking still happens in both directions here a lot.

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Old December 27th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #2586
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I wonder where Belgium got the idea to build these 3-lane highways. Maybe they were French influence? It's been a while since I last saw such a road in France. Some of the pre-1950 Italian autostrade were reportedly built with 3 lanes. I don't think the Netherlands ever built them on a large scale.

A different variant is used in North America, where they are called a 'center turn lane' or 'flush median' (a term also used in New Zealand). These are used for left turns only, not for passing.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 03:54 PM   #2587
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I actually think that the Belgian main roads where build afther the US model interstate highways wich also featured suïcide lanes in the 50's?
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Old December 27th, 2015, 04:02 PM   #2588
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US is full of central turning lanes but they are not meant to be used as overtaking.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #2589
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They aren't today but what about the past? Here is an article about forgotten parts of route 99. At bottom of the article imare 2 pictures of the origional 3 lange highway layout from the 30ties : http://www.gbcnet.com/ushighways/US99/US99f_side.html
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Interstate Highways were always built as full-standard freeways, with 2 lanes and a shoulder, plus a wide median or a median with a jersey barrier. Perhaps some US Highways were built with three lanes, but the U.S. was pretty early with constructing 4-lane roads in both urban and rural areas.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #2591
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There were 3-way roads also in germany. But i don't know how much. I only know that my driving teacher told me about, that there are still some remaining untill "today". But this is 12 years ago....
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The new E25 interchange to Haccourt (between Liège and Visé) opened to traffic last month. It has been reported there is zero signage for this interchange.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 03:51 PM   #2593
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So they forgot to install any signs saying where the exit leads to?
EDIT: hmm, apparently so indeed. Still no exit sign
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Old December 28th, 2015, 04:24 PM   #2594
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The new E25 interchange to Haccourt (between Liège and Visé) opened to traffic last month. It has been reported there is zero signage for this interchange.
No picture/video of it ? Related to Trilogyport ?

LE: OK, I've seen the pics. But it seems to be an exit only for Trilogyport and changes nothing for Haccourt. If a new bridge over the canal towards Haccourt would have been built, then maybe could act as a southern bypass for Vise. Allee Verte, the main street between Haccourt and downtown Vise is very very clogged already in rush hour and something must be done...

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Old December 28th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #2595
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US is full of central turning lanes but they are not meant to be used as overtaking.
I think three-lane roads were more-or-less standard here if you go back far enough. But even in the 1930s, it was starting to be recognized that that was a dangerous configuration.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 06:35 PM   #2596
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So they forgot to install any signs saying where the exit leads to?
EDIT: hmm, apparently so indeed. Still no exit sign
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Transportation has been decentralized decades ago (vive la Belgique for that).
So: vive la Wallonie.
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Center turn lanes are still pretty dangerous (and often called "suicide lanes" here too), seeing as how the turning vehicle has to cross speeding oncoming traffic. But they're definitely not as dangerous as that center overtake lane design.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 02:50 AM   #2599
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I think three-lane roads were more-or-less standard here if you go back far enough. But even in the 1930s, it was starting to be recognized that that was a dangerous configuration.
But, 3-lane roads are not dangerous if properly configured to 2+1, and with a median barrier at top, they are very safe > look at Sweden, they have many of these kind of roads and one of the lowest road fatality rates in the world :


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Old December 29th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #2600
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But, 3-lane roads are not dangerous if properly configured to 2+1, and with a median barrier at top, they are very safe > look at Sweden, they have many of these kind of roads and one of the lowest road fatality rates in the world :
Sweden found they were a good retrofit of a wide existing 1+1 . They did/do not new build them.

France built a lot of 2+1 on N Roads.
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