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Old March 30th, 2016, 10:06 PM   #2641
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Seriously. I actually drove in Antwerp last summer, in a Dutch rental. Would Hertz in Amsterdam have thought to tell me about this? I don't know what those norms mean....
On the other hand, I was yelled at at some length by a Brussels cop for honking at a bus that was blocking an intersection. I told him in English I couldn't understand him (which was a lie), he looked at the Dutch plate and went away.
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Old March 30th, 2016, 10:17 PM   #2642
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On the other hand, I was yelled at at some length by a Brussels cop for honking at a bus that was blocking an intersection. I told him in English I couldn't understand him (which was a lie), he looked at the Dutch plate and went away.
Everyone is afraid of Dutch cars hahaha!
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Old March 31st, 2016, 01:15 AM   #2643
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Nah, he went to get his Flemish collegue to be able to talk to you
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Old March 31st, 2016, 01:28 AM   #2644
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On the other hand, I was yelled at at some length by a Brussels cop for honking at a bus that was blocking an intersection. I told him in English I couldn't understand him (which was a lie), he looked at the Dutch plate and went away.
I would have been... sorry officer, I am a tourist, I don't speak much German
I only know how to say hello, it's "du bist eine grosse Ars..loch"
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Old March 31st, 2016, 01:30 AM   #2645
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He would have no clue what you where saying either way.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 01:41 AM   #2646
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Seriously. I actually drove in Antwerp last summer, in a Dutch rental. Would Hertz in Amsterdam have thought to tell me about this? I don't know what those norms mean. Would my car have been banned if those rules had been in effect? (It was a gasoline-powered small Fiat.)
If your rental company gives you a car that doesn't comply with EURO 1 regulation, you really should ask for a refund.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 07:56 AM   #2647
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He would have no clue what you where saying either way.
There is of course the small chance that the officer would have grown up in the German-speaking part of Belgium
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Old March 31st, 2016, 04:12 PM   #2648
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truck tolls

Belgium introduces a truck toll, starting 1 April 2016.

Flanders and Wallonia charge tolls on motorways and parallel main roads only. Brussels charges tolls on the entire urban road network.





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Old March 31st, 2016, 04:47 PM   #2649
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There are much more N roads charched in Wallonia, I wonder what is behind this. More parrallell routes?

Plus there is quite some confusing numbering on the map. Either only use the A numbers or only the E numbers or both in all cases and not A en E numbering mixed up.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 10:39 AM   #2650
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There are much more N roads charched in Wallonia, I wonder what is behind this. More parrallell routes?

Plus there is quite some confusing numbering on the map. Either only use the A numbers or only the E numbers or both in all cases and not A en E numbering mixed up.
When a motorway is not part of a E-road, it's signed solely as an A-road. All other motorways are signed with their E-number.

As for the N-roads in Wallonia: In Flanders all main connections are motorways (A or E), but in Wallonia some main connections are just N-roads, so I guess that's the reason why they're tolled.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 12:41 PM   #2651
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And a few roads in wallonia are added to eurovignet?
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I don't understand that either. This toll system is supposed to replace the Eurovignette system.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 07:14 PM   #2653
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The Eurovignette is completely scrapped in Belgium, according to the Eurovignette site: https://www.eurovignettes.eu/portal/en/welcome

”The State of Belgium has decided to no longer levy the Eurovignette for the Belgian territory as of April 1st, 2016. On that day, the start of a new kilometre-based road charging system is planned. This means that the Eurovignette is no more necessary for Belgium and will be replaced by a kilometre-based toll.
The remaining Eurovignette countries - Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Sweden - will continue with the Eurovignette system.”


The implementation of the truck toll is characterized as 'chaotic', with very long delivery times for the transponders and a large amount of malfunctioning transponders. Transponders can also be obtained at major border crossings, resulting in very long waiting times to get them installed.

It appears though, that many trucking companies decided to order a transponder in the last month before implementation, leaving little time for repairs or unforeseen problems.

There were protests in Wallonia where truck drivers blocked motorways.

It has been criticized to enforce the truck toll with € 1000 fines from the very first day, without a grace period. Especially with the former Eurovignette costing only € 8 per day, a € 1000 fine seems out of proportion.
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pourquoi faire simple, quand on peut faire compliqué!
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Old April 4th, 2016, 08:23 PM   #2655
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The introduction of this toll system has led to many protest among truck drivers. Some decided to block the roads: http://www.lalibre.be/actu/belgique/...708ea2d4345ac3
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A Dutch trucking company received 85 transponders. Not one of them worked.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 02:46 AM   #2657
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Why are the E34 (Expresweg) West of Zelzate, R4-East and Liefkenshoektunnel exempt? They see their fair share of truck traffic..
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The Liefkenshoektunnel is tolled already. The E34 and R4-East: no idea.

Possibly a 'trick' in the hopes of more truck traffic using those routes towards the Dutch Westerscheldetunnel (also tolled) to keep them away from the bottleneck called Antwerpen.
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The Liefkenshoektunnel is tolled already. The E34 and R4-East: no idea.

Possibly a 'trick' in the hopes of more truck traffic using those routes towards the Dutch Westerscheldetunnel (also tolled) to keep them away from the bottleneck called Antwerpen.
As someone too familiar with the E34, R4 and Dutch access roads, I sure hope not.

Actually, after posting the question I remembered that that stretch of E34 is not up to motorway standards yet.

And, apparently, the R4-West is intended to become the primary motorway whereas R4-East will be for the most part a regional "primary road 2". I hadn't expected that, given its more direct alignment with the planned to be upgraded Tractaatweg across the border.
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Some gas stations are already on shortage: http://www.lesoir.be/1172836/article...-leurs-actions
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