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Old July 4th, 2016, 11:25 PM   #2721
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Location of the Bridge in the city of Hasselt:https://www.google.be/maps/@50.92568...7i13312!8i6656

Do you see that, they blurred out the damage on google streetview....OOps look like they forgot some smaller pieces of damage... This bridge in a perfect state folks. I really should go take pictures next time I'm in that area and post them here. It's worse now then on this picture, all columns now have the same damage as the little piece they forgot to blur out...





You said something about netting that keeps debree from falling on cars or trains, don't worry we have that too :yay:
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Location of this bridge:

https://www.google.be/maps/@50.95447.../data=!3m1!1e3




Ah the perfect sollution to keep the bridge from falling down

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Old July 4th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #2722
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I don't think it is so bad, it is more cosmetic IMO
Is just the rebar expanding from rust and popping off the outer layer
you still have 98 % of the concrete in place, which has probably weakened too, but still structurally sound

Montreal still wins
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Old July 5th, 2016, 12:02 AM   #2723
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Yikes looks equally bad! There are worse bridges in Belgium and on mayor highways but these are just two I know from road I pass on regulary, The viaduct of Boirs is offcourse long been the famous example on the A13 near Liège. It was closed partially for like 5 years or so untill they did the works and it was in such bad shape it was fully replaced. Anyway, it's defenately a bad things that so many brodges need replacement on the Belgian road network.

Location: https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.75338.../data=!3m1!1e3

here is one of the pictures that shook a lot of people taken from the underside of the viaduct, a hole in the concrete right trough one of the bridge bearings.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 12:17 AM   #2724
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A few years ago a hole about 1 m opened in the road surface on a major bridge to Montreal
anything that went in the hole would end up, splash-splash

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...ridge-1.731703

That bridge has been undergoing extensive renovations for about 10 years now, but still every year or two a hole opens up

Canada definitely has that "walloon/flemish" split in road infrastructure maintenance as well... here in Ontario everything is perfectly normal, but Quebec, oh mon dieu
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Old July 10th, 2016, 08:07 PM   #2725
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E403

E403 full-depth repaving between Torhout and Lichtervelde in western Belgium.

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Old July 10th, 2016, 10:13 PM   #2726
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I noticed the flemish governmznt is stepping up on the repavement, a local expressroad overhere (N80 a 2x2 120km/h road) is repaved full lenght between Sint-truiden and Hasselt in stages over the last year.
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Old July 10th, 2016, 10:44 PM   #2727
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How are the works to fix the crumbling overpasses over R0 on the southern sector?
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Old July 10th, 2016, 11:28 PM   #2728
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No idea, it belongs to the walloon government and they dont even have the funds to repave a 10km stretch of highway...
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The repaved segment of E403 near Lichtervelde (see earlier post) was the scene of a truck accident today. A tanker truck loaded with ethanol was involved in a crash and caught fire. E403 was shut down in both directions.



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Was that new repaved segment, or the carriageway with the old pavement ?
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Old July 14th, 2016, 11:42 AM   #2731
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This article today in my local newspaper:

Highways in Flanders that exceed maximum capacity for more than 10hours a day.
Who said we need more capacity According to the article the number are from the first 6 months of this year. With an average traffic jam length of 150km and regular days 300km and more, things are slowly grinding to halt...

The Brussels R0 exceeds capacity for nearly 14h a day on all stretches on the northern side
The R1 around Antwerp exceeds capacity for more than 13h a day over the full length


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Old July 14th, 2016, 12:06 PM   #2732
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I guess they have to repave it again...
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Old July 14th, 2016, 05:43 PM   #2733
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Highways in Flanders that exceed maximum capacity for more than 10hours a day.
Does it specify what qualifies as 'exceeding maximum capacity'? Does that count busy traffic (say over 1800 vehicles per lane, which is a car every 2 seconds) or is it traffic jam/slow moving traffic?
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Old July 14th, 2016, 08:37 PM   #2734
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I was reading recently that one of the problems of the planned Oosterweelverbinding in Antwerpen will be the financing. But apparently not the total sum but more the yearly sum that will have to be paid for it and which will have to be considered in the budget. The problem appears due to the fact that the sum for this project will increase the budget deficit beyond the tolerated level. Everyone is also talking as if the whole project will be paid during the 5 years it will be built.

When I compare this with the countries of the eastern EU that are building their motorway network it seem to me that there are quite some differences in financing. First the eastern EU countries all seem to work following the principle where the loan is taken by a national motorway company and not the government itself. If I understand well this way the cost of loans do no appear in the budget account balance but in the account balance of the motorway company, so somehow they are not considered in the budget deficit.

The other thing is that all these countries seem to take loans that are much distributed over a much longer time than just the time of the project, so the yearly cost for the budget is lower.

Can someone with more knowledge about economics that me explains if what I am saying about the eastern EU countries is correct and why such methods are not applicable in Belgium?
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I do not know the specifics of the Oosterweel Connection financing, but there are basically three options with concessions;

* private concession with private financing. The French model. It doesn't require tax money.
* concession by a public entity. Common in the United States. Tax money fund the highway, it is then repaid by tolls. This requires the full construction cost to be paid upfront by the government.
* private concession based on availability payments. Often used in the Netherlands and many other countries. This is a payment model where a private developer pays the full construction cost upfront, and the government pays it back with monthly installments over a period of typically 30 years. This is very favorable for the budget and public debt and doesn't require tolls.

There are also hybrid models, such as a public entity concession which is partially paid by tolls, partially by government funding. This is very common in Norway. There are also private concessions with 'shadow tolls' where the government pays for each passing vehicle. It is generally seen as unfavorable now. Portugal had many such roads, almost all of them are now tolled by the government to make up for the shadow tolls paid to the developer.

Eastern EU roads are often funded through the European Union, in many cases up to 85% so the actual cost for those governments is only 15% plus land acquisition. This means they don't have to borrow as much money to fund new motorways. Poland is very effective at consuming EU funding at a high rate (moreso than the Czech Republic I'd say).
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Old July 15th, 2016, 01:13 AM   #2736
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Does it specify what qualifies as 'exceeding maximum capacity'? Does that count busy traffic (say over 1800 vehicles per lane, which is a car every 2 seconds) or is it traffic jam/slow moving traffic?
It didn't sadly.
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I was reading recently that one of the problems of the planned Oosterweelverbinding in Antwerpen will be the financing. But apparently not the total sum but more the yearly sum that will have to be paid for it and which will have to be considered in the budget. The problem appears due to the fact that the sum for this project will increase the budget deficit beyond the tolerated level. Everyone is also talking as if the whole project will be paid during the 5 years it will be built.

When I compare this with the countries of the eastern EU that are building their motorway network it seem to me that there are quite some differences in financing. First the eastern EU countries all seem to work following the principle where the loan is taken by a national motorway company and not the government itself. If I understand well this way the cost of loans do no appear in the budget account balance but in the account balance of the motorway company, so somehow they are not considered in the budget deficit.

The other thing is that all these countries seem to take loans that are much distributed over a much longer time than just the time of the project, so the yearly cost for the budget is lower.

Can someone with more knowledge about economics that me explains if what I am saying about the eastern EU countries is correct and why such methods are not applicable in Belgium?
This is also done in Slovenia.

DARS - Direkcija za Avtoceste Republike Slovenije is the public company that takes the loans and constructs the roads.

The state guarantees the loans and is 100% owner of the company. The company also oversees tool system and maintinence. DARS took out 3.6 bil of loans and paid 1.1 bil back. While this could go down faster in the last 5 years, the government takes almost all the profits and uses it for pensions/railways.
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E17 Gent

A truck overturned and caught fire on the E17 viaduct of Gentbrugge near the city of Gent. It's a complete traffic chaos, E17 is blocked in both directions and traffic is being turned around. E40 is also coming to a standstill in both directions. There are reports of debris falling down from the viaduct, hopefully there is no structural damage and fatalities.



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This is also done in Slovenia.

DARS - Direkcija za Avtoceste Republike Slovenije is the public company that takes the loans and constructs the roads.

The state guarantees the loans and is 100% owner of the company. The company also oversees tool system and maintinence. DARS took out 3.6 bil of loans and paid 1.1 bil back. While this could go down faster in the last 5 years, the government takes almost all the profits and uses it for pensions/railways.
IIRC, there is a caveat to this strategy - the national motorway company's debt does not count towards public debt, despite being wholly owned by the government, only if it obtains most of its revenue "on the market" (through tolls) and not through public financing, such as taxes. I remember this was a factor in the decision-making process when the vignette system in Slovenia was being modified, since vignettes are not considered tolls but more of a road tax.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 04:59 PM   #2740
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This article today in my local newspaper:

Highways in Flanders that exceed maximum capacity for more than 10hours a day.
Who said we need more capacity According to the article the number are from the first 6 months of this year. With an average traffic jam length of 150km and regular days 300km and more, things are slowly grinding to halt...

The Brussels R0 exceeds capacity for nearly 14h a day on all stretches on the northern side
The R1 around Antwerp exceeds capacity for more than 13h a day over the full length



On Brussels ring the signage is sooo bad!! This create this enormous traffic!! The specialists responsible for that should be kicked out from their work.

Try to find and take the exact lane if you want to turn from the northern ring when driving over the Vilvoorde Viaduct towards Antwerpen!!?? A lot of drivers is taking the most right exit which give you the wrong exit! But it's like you can understand those orange temporarily sign boards!!!


For a God sake!!, can the Belgian transfer the signs work to Dutch specialists??!! Why is so easy, pro and efficient to drive on Dutch roads and motorways compare to completely chaos roads in Belgium!!??
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