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Old October 12th, 2016, 04:37 PM   #2781
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When will work on E40 start? What are they going to do?
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Old October 12th, 2016, 06:03 PM   #2782
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You could check the Wegen & Verkeer Website?
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Old October 12th, 2016, 06:05 PM   #2783
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Could someone explain the situation on the R0 at Machelen? It seems that the plan is to fully open the interchange with the Brussels Ring upgrade starting in 2019, though it will only provide access to the R22.

So my question is, why has the interchange not been fully opened already, given it is essentially complete?
Well, the E19/A1 was never intended to connect to the R22. The motorway was supposed to run right through Brussels CR as part of the Manhattanproject.

In the Northern Quarter of Brussels, a stacked city was envisioned and one of the sublevels was supposed to be the A1.



The Northern Quarter did get constructed but the surrounding infrastructure got trimmed down. The oldest skyscrapers in the area still have their main entrances a couple of floors up in mid-air.

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Old October 12th, 2016, 06:12 PM   #2784
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You could check the Wegen & Verkeer Website?
I cannot find it...but then I don't speak flemish

I do the road every day to go to work from Brussels to Leuven, so call me egoist but I would like to know what is going to happen

Do you know more? or can you point me where it is on the website?
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Old October 13th, 2016, 12:21 PM   #2785
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Well, the E19/A1 was never intended to connect to the R22. The motorway was supposed to run right through Brussels CR as part of the Manhattanproject.

In the Northern Quarter of Brussels, a stacked city was envisioned and one of the sublevels was supposed to be the A1.



The Northern Quarter did get constructed but the surrounding infrastructure got trimmed down. The oldest skyscrapers in the area still have their main entrances a couple of floors up in mid-air.

Thanks for this. The bit I'm saying I don't understand is why they built the connection to R22, but didn't open it (if you look on Google maps even the ramps down to R22 seem to be there already).
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Old October 13th, 2016, 12:35 PM   #2786
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I looked even in Flemish press but no news of works on E40 leuven-Brussels
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Old October 13th, 2016, 04:54 PM   #2787
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Thanks for this. The bit I'm saying I don't understand is why they built the connection to R22, but didn't open it (if you look on Google maps even the ramps down to R22 seem to be there already).
Well, there are multiple reasons. Firstly, the E19 was never intended to connect to the R22 in its current form. A 6-lane motorway ending in a simple intersection was never considerd a good idea. The interchange branches connecting in the direction of the R22 have been designed with 120kmh speeds in mind. The old north-western branches has been deconstructed and replaced with a newer on, discouraging high speeds while aproaching the intersection. Even more, new tunnels for cyclist are currently being constructed to seperate traffic-flows.

Secondly, the bridges and overpasses have never been in use and the basic amount of maintenance they received was always targeted at keeping the bridges standing, nothing more. Thus the overpasses needed propper renovation.

Thirdly, the HST-line between Antwerp & Brussels was constructed in the middle of the motorway, certain configurations needed to be revisioned.

Fourthly. Multiple major projects along the R22 in the Flemish region are currently ongoing or will be starting so to upgrade the safety along the expressway/ring-road.

The project that's currently reforming the interchange so it may properly do so, will cost about € 35 Million. Connecting to the R22 is the N21, which is also being reconstructing on multiple area's along its course.
The website with information and future plans concering the Machelen-project.

Current situation.



The situation as it has been for several decades beforte the current project got introduced.



Area's of reconstruction

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Old October 14th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #2788
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Thanks again, Wimpie. There does seem to be a tendency in Europe for very high capacity 4-way interchanges like this to be underutilized. For instance, the M23/M25 stack ended up serving a two lane road into London, and the A45/A480 stack in Germany is similarly underutilized. Of the stacks and stack turbines in Europe, a third don't really do anything like what was intended.

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Old October 15th, 2016, 05:42 PM   #2789
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Every 6 months I come here to ask: are there news on A601 refurbishment?
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Old October 15th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #2790
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Nope it's still closed al will stay like that.

Here is one of the latest articles I could find: (In French) http://bassenge.blogs.sudinfo.be/arc...ir-193732.html

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L'A601 reliant l'E40 à l'E313 est fermée depuis 18 mois et ne devrait jamais rouvrir.
Translation: The A601 wich connects the E40 to E313 has been closed for 18 months and will never reopen again.
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Old October 15th, 2016, 06:25 PM   #2791
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Every 6 months I come here to ask:
Why exactly? Cause I'm fairly sure that if there's actual news on the A601 that it will be posted here anyway
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Old October 17th, 2016, 12:00 PM   #2792
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Thanks again, Wimpie. There does seem to be a tendency in Europe for very high capacity 4-way interchanges like this to be underutilized. For instance, the M23/M25 stack ended up serving a two lane road into London, and the A45/A480 stack in Germany is similarly underutilized. Of the stacks and stack turbines in Europe, a third don't really do anything like what was intended.
Yeah, my guess is that at the end of the Golden Day's of motorwayconstruction in Western-Europe (1973-1985) also marks the beginning of the Golden Days of the Nimby's. Many interchanges in Belgium that were built in those days, were massive in scale, even the most basic connection to the lower grade network would be designed with overly large proportions and a large chunk of "just-in-case-these-roads-need-to-be-widened" capacity.

Heverlee-Interchange

This one has all the embankments ready to turn it into a full cloverleafs. However, there have never been any plans to build another stretch of A2 beyond Heverlee.

Anderlecht Interchange
A full stack-interchange, connecting nothing more than a stub-class (B201) road, a hospital and the few villages beyond.

Just a few 100 metres further south on the R0. Vorst Interchange. Construction started on this one in the 1970's, together with a couple of bridges and overpasses further on. However, it was decided to build the R0 around the towns of Drogenbos and Ukkel, instead of through them and thus the R0 never made a complete circle around Brussels-CR.



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Old October 23rd, 2016, 07:49 PM   #2793
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Flanders wants to go big with section control / average speed checks, they plan to introduce it on 20 new road segments every year. Long-term plans are to introduce area-wide camera systems which can also scan license plates for criminal / anti-terrorism purposes.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Binnenl...per-jaar.dhtml

I'm not sure what to think of this. Average speed cameras are more fair than single-spot speed cameras, but they tend to be installed on locations where the speed limit is considered to be too low for conditions. This widespread usage (area-wide, they call it) moves it towards excessive government surveillance, as they will not only be used for speeding tickets, but also for general surveillance.
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 10:23 PM   #2794
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very sad... Flanders is supposed to be the refuge of freedom for NL, but now following the same things
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 11:17 PM   #2795
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These are the routes that have surveillance ( license plate recognition camera's) in my home town that I spotted. There may be more but of these I know. N3 Direction Liege and Brussels, N80 direction Namur and Hasselt, N716 direction Diest and just before you enter Sint-truiden. There may be more on the N722 and the N79 but I did not spot the cameras yet because I dont frequently drive on those roads. That would mean all main acces roads into town are covered.
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 11:53 PM   #2796
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I think section speed control is fair and appropriate, unlike spot-radar checks. I think spot speed control are appropriate only when there is a specific point of heightened danger, and then it should be clearly marked (ideally, they should be that sort of visible camera control that displays/flashes the speed for drivers).
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Old October 24th, 2016, 10:22 PM   #2797
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Flanders wants to go big with section control / average speed checks, they plan to introduce it on 20 new road segments every year. Long-term plans are to introduce area-wide camera systems which can also scan license plates for criminal / anti-terrorism purposes.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Binnenl...per-jaar.dhtml

I'm not sure what to think of this. Average speed cameras are more fair than single-spot speed cameras, but they tend to be installed on locations where the speed limit is considered to be too low for conditions. This widespread usage (area-wide, they call it) moves it towards excessive government surveillance, as they will not only be used for speeding tickets, but also for general surveillance.
I know this may sting a bit, but European governments have been long waiting for large-scale terrorist attacks because they provides them a very valuable excuse to deploy police-state policies that have been unpopular since the end of totalitarianism in Europe. Combine security with road safety and you have the ideal catalyst for this.

Contrary to Germany or the US, Belgium, France or Spain don't have any strong anti-surveillance movements so privacy in these countries will slowly become a thing of the past.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 10:33 PM   #2798
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I know this may sting a bit, but European governments have been long waiting for large-scale terrorist attacks because they provides them a very valuable excuse to deploy police-state policies that have been unpopular since the end of totalitarianism in Europe. Combine security with road safety and you have the ideal catalyst for this.

Contrary to Germany or the US, Belgium, France or Spain don't have any strong anti-surveillance movements so privacy in these countries will slowly become a thing of the past.
Hence our cities are allready full over camera's on every corner. I remembered a poll a few years back done by newspaper where 70+% of the readers wants more police surveillance camera's in Belgian cities.

For instance Brussels has 1300 police camera's, many with facial recognition. The police has acces to and additional 1365 CCTV camera's. When the Terror level is raised to 3, wich happens regularly these days, Police has acces to an additional +-1800 CCTV cameras placed by the NMBS/SNCB.
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In addition to the ANPR camera's in my hometown (ST-Truiden, pop 40.000) I mentioned in my previous post, there are 31 police surveillance camera's in the town center.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 10:53 PM   #2799
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A601 Liège

Some recent photos of the closed A601 motorway near Liège. It links E40 and E313, but the Walloon region cannot pay for maintenance, so they just shut it down.






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It wil be fun to visit in 10 years or so when nature is reclaiming the road... A few winters will help to crack open the pavement
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