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Old January 4th, 2017, 06:45 PM   #2841
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If you cross region borders there will be signs.

There are allready giant signs at region borders stating in wich Region you are and also in wich Province you are. If you haven't got any clue because you missed a giant signage on the side of the road, you can always resort to the names of the towns an cities. French and German names are in Wallonia.

Here you have all 3 of them at the Belgian border:
Are these giant blue signs indicating 70 / 90 at every road crossing the internal borders or are they planned to be mounted?

If it is, no problem.

If it isn't, what will happen to a (foreign) driver caught by a speed camera doing 95km/h in Flanders after entering the region from Wallonia?
Is it legal to fine the driver for exceeding the speed limit by 25km/h?

If a driver knows the official limit but is not sure where s/he is and don't wanna risk a fine, s/he must drive (less than) 70km/h and would provoke dangerous overtakings in Wallonia...
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Old January 4th, 2017, 06:59 PM   #2842
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They were already placed a couple of weeks before the new year. They'll most likely be missing on most local roads though. I'm also not certain whether Wallonia has put up signs in the other direction indicating that the default speeds are different there. But at least you won't get fined if you apply the default speed limits of Flanders in Wallonia (should be fixed though).
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Old January 4th, 2017, 07:27 PM   #2843
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Why do I feel this "brilliant" idea won't last long?...
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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:36 AM   #2844
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Why do I feel this "brilliant" idea won't last long?...
Because we don't like to keep to speed limits in Belgium?
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Old January 5th, 2017, 05:31 PM   #2845
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I have no objection to whatever jurisdictional arrangements are in place so that they can decide on specific speed limits for specific roads. I just sub-national entities in EU to be forced, if so, to sign any deviation from national traffic law.

Which is, in practice, the previous situation - since so much of northern Belgium is build-up alongside intercity roads, their limit is often 70. And, up to one week ago, that is clearly signed everywhere. I was not advocating from this arrangement to be prohibited.

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This is a problem in some other countries as well, including Netherlands, with "Zone 60" or "Zone 30" designations on rural areas. You are supposed to beware of the first sign and, if you missed it, though luck. That is not a practical arrangement. Signposts with fixed speed limits are relatively cheap, no harm putting thousands of them up.
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Old January 7th, 2017, 01:23 AM   #2846
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I have no objection to whatever jurisdictional arrangements are in place so that they can decide on specific speed limits for specific roads. I just sub-national entities in EU to be forced, if so, to sign any deviation from national traffic law.

Which is, in practice, the previous situation - since so much of northern Belgium is build-up alongside intercity roads, their limit is often 70. And, up to one week ago, that is clearly signed everywhere. I was not advocating from this arrangement to be prohibited.

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This is a problem in some other countries as well, including Netherlands, with "Zone 60" or "Zone 30" designations on rural areas. You are supposed to beware of the first sign and, if you missed it, though luck. That is not a practical arrangement. Signposts with fixed speed limits are relatively cheap, no harm putting thousands of them up.
Each sign, that must be reflective, complete with its pole, costs few hundreds of euros. It's not a negligible cost especially for small municipalities, if they have to put thousands of them (and replace them after 15-20 years, as they discolour).
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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:05 AM   #2847
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But they are happy to park the camera that costs every passer-by a few hundreds of euros, aren't they
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Old January 9th, 2017, 12:58 AM   #2848
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But they are happy to park the camera that costs every passer-by a few hundreds of euros, aren't they
The newest camera in Chemnitz (Blitzer) which could control 2 lanes per direction, and redlight, which was worth a hundred thousand €, was amortised after month
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Old January 9th, 2017, 02:33 AM   #2849
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probably should turn it back to Karl-Marx-Stadt then
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Old January 22nd, 2017, 03:28 PM   #2850
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Flanders will decommission its network of roadside emergency telephones tomorrow. There are 1350 telephones installed along the Flemish motorways.

Meanwhile Wallonia has awarded a contract to keep them operational until at least 2020. They want to phase out the emergency telephones when e-call systems in cars become commonplace (which are obligatory from 2018, but the transition may take place until 2030).
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Old January 22nd, 2017, 03:36 PM   #2851
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Flanders will decommission its network of roadside emergency telephones tomorrow. There are 1350 telephones installed along the Flemish motorways.

Meanwhile Wallonia has awarded a contract to keep them operational until at least 2020. They want to phase out the emergency telephones when e-call systems in cars become commonplace (which are obligatory from 2018, but the transition may take place until 2030).
I think this make some sense because there are still some weak cell phone coverage spots in Wallonia, or at least there were in 2015.
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Old January 24th, 2017, 08:39 PM   #2852
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Old February 15th, 2017, 06:35 PM   #2853
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OMG, they will completely change the Europe.. /

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Will make Belgian highways great again!

No longer driving through and endless forest!
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 03:37 PM   #2855
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Now I understand. Belgium vs The Netherlands in the road conditions but also in the way how they drive

This can explain ->bad drivers are indicator of
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Actually, Belgium scores very well on the CPI (Corruption Perception Index) by ranking 15th. Which makes sense since we have one of the lowest inequality rates, income-gaps and highest citizen participations rates in the world. In general the more "equal" a country gets, the less corrupt its goverment is and the higher the quality of the infrastructure is perceived.

That's where Belgium is the odd duck, our infrastructure is generally good but hasn't always been able to keep up with our Benelux partners.

The article mentioned something about how a hierarchical organized country could have infrastructure of a lesser standard?
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Old March 7th, 2017, 01:16 PM   #2857
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I bet they didn't take into account 4 useless governments trying to eat the same cake
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Old March 7th, 2017, 09:11 PM   #2858
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N67 Eupen - Monschau

N67 in Eastern Belgium is one of the worst main roads of Belgium. It is called the 'highway to hell'. Though it has been reduced from 11 to 5 km.



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Old March 9th, 2017, 01:36 AM   #2859
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LOL a piece of GDR driving experience, even with fitting German signs, they should preserve it as an open-air museum.
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Old March 9th, 2017, 01:48 AM   #2860
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Is this pre-WWII?

Those concrete slabs were widely used in Europe in those years.
There are few relicts left across the continent, like a part of E28 in Russia (originally part of Berlin-Koenigsberg reichautobahn), part of DK18 in Poland (originally part of Berlin-Breslau reichautobahn) and part of G-211 in Slovenia.
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