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Old January 26th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #321
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The sign, coupled with the poorly-designed road markings, are misleading and dangerous. One possible solution would be to disallow overtaking with the use of dual unbroken lines and designate the lane as left turn only (using road markings) for a short distance either side of the intersection. Also, the sign could look something like this (but in French):



(Edit: You're right Glodenox, a distance would be much better. Don't know why I forgot about that. )

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Old January 26th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #322
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There's no real reason to put "ahead" beneath the sign according to me. It should be pretty obvious that's the situation ahead. Instead - and you'd evade the whole language division problem in Belgium right away - I'd just put the distance at which that situation starts.

Another solution would be more or less the same as deranged mentioned, but it would actually fit in the road markings we're already having right now: just a full white line (with some interruptions for that road to the left perhaps) and arrows showing in which lane to drive for each direction. In this case, the "middle" lane we're seeing would have the arrow to the left and the right lane would have an arrow forwards and one to the right combined (as we've got a lot on our roads elsewhere).

Also, looking at Google Earth, I see that the middle lane can basically be used by both directions when a driver feels like it. According to me that's way too dangerous. Some poles and markings that fence off the parts that may be used to turn left would've been much safer and easier to understand.

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Old January 26th, 2009, 11:24 PM   #323
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New dynamic signs along E313


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Old January 27th, 2009, 12:11 AM   #324
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14. They should renew these touristic signs, nearly all of them look like this, not really inviting.
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They're already being renewed. These are the new ones (signs in full color):


























More: http://portfolio.sudpresse.be/main.php?g2_itemId=218655
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Old January 27th, 2009, 12:26 AM   #325
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Beautiful signs, that's what might make you detour to just see what's posted.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 09:37 AM   #326
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Exactly, much better then the old ones
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Old January 27th, 2009, 09:41 AM   #327
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Only, one problem. These signs have to gonna get huge to see them properly. And they may distract too much then. I haven't seen other full-color photo-style touristic signs... Most of them just have a sketch on them with 2 colors (brown and white or so).
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Old January 27th, 2009, 01:52 PM   #328
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You mean the sketches like you see on those signs in the Netherlands and Germany?

By the way, you won't see the signs anyway, as they will probably hidden in the bushes
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Old January 29th, 2009, 03:03 PM   #329
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Haven't seen any of those new signs yet, but I certainly wouldn't mind

Sure, they may distract a bit, but they're meant to grab the attention as well, so there's a thin line between "too distracting" and "not distracting enough".

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Old January 29th, 2009, 03:25 PM   #330
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R3 Charleroi Beltway

Charleroi is among the most decayed cities of western Europe. But that's what makes it interesting. A lot of faded, old infrastructure and signs. This photojourney goes along the R3, the outer belt of Charleroi.

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First: the Eastside of R3

1. To good Belgian standards, the first picture features a sign in the trees.
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2. That mountain is in fact a terril.
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3. Marcinelle exit.
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4. Marcinelle is also the name of a gigantic factory in the area.
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5. Bridge
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6. N5 exit. I was surprised to see Reims signed here, it's a long trip through country roads.
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7. Some of Charleroi's suburbs.
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8. There are a few tunnels in the R3.
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9. That's Châtelet.
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10. see?
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11. Charleroi is set in a hilly region.
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12. Châtelet exit.
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13. N90 exit.
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14. closer look.
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15. Ransart exit.
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16. E42 interchange.
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Second: The westside of R3.

17. Short tunnel.
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18. Marcinelle exits.
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19. Long names here.
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20. Interchange with the A503, a short motorway in Charleroi.
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21. Beaumont exit.
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22. R3 milemarker.
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23. Another Marcinelle exit.
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24. Forchies exit.
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25. Typical Belgian motorway view: trees and nothing but them.
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26. Railway crossing.
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27. Courcelles exit.
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28. N583.
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29. E42 interchange.
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30. Road numbers are faded.
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31. Odd green sign.
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32. Neat overhead.
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33. Tunnel.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 03:33 PM   #331
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I thought that Charleroi had a one-way ringroad. Which Belgian city does have that one-way ringroad?
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Old January 29th, 2009, 03:36 PM   #332
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Charleroi has two ringroads. The outer ringroad is the R3 and goes typically 5 to 8 kilometers outside the city center.

The R9 is the inner belt and is one way, 3 - 4 lanes and elevated throughout most of it's route. It's typically 500 to 1000 meters away from the city center. I would like to compare it to Rochester, NY inner belt.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 03:45 PM   #333
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Goodness gracious! Somebody trim those trees! I'm sure Belgian government can afford to do that?
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Old January 29th, 2009, 07:29 PM   #334
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Goodness gracious! Somebody trim those trees! I'm sure Belgian government can afford to do that?
Road maintenance is done by the federated states (Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels). So in the Charleroi case, it's Wallonia who has to pay for the roads...

And yeah, they have no money

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Old January 30th, 2009, 01:06 PM   #335
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Road maintenance is done by the federated states (Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels). So in the Charleroi case, it's Wallonia who has to pay for the roads...

And yeah, they have no money

Also in Flanders those trees are a problem....... but indeed, Flanders has no money either.
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If you are interested in the decay of Wallonian cities, check this photothread
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Old January 30th, 2009, 06:08 PM   #337
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I'm sure it will get better with those cities. Once.
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Old January 30th, 2009, 11:47 PM   #338
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Road maintenance is done by the federated states (Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels). So in the Charleroi case, it's Wallonia who has to pay for the roads...

And yeah, they have no money

I didn't know Flanders had an exclave (except for Baarle-Nassau). What's that red thingy near Maastricht?
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Old January 30th, 2009, 11:55 PM   #339
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That's called the "Voerstreek" of "Fourons" in French.

Note that Wallonia also has a small exclave in the extreme west.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 01:30 AM   #340
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Oooh, geographical anomalies! Kind of like Abcoude
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