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Old November 3rd, 2009, 03:06 AM   #541
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Speaking of lighting on the Belgian motorways.
Afaik the energy source of this is the extra nuclear energy available during the off peak hours (which "must be spent" anyways).
In cases such as this I would think that traditional approaches to lighting the motorways may be the most appropriate.

However, does anyone know of motorway lighting applications using solar cells in conjunction with batteries? (I know for a fact this has been used for motorway emergency phones - still, no info about it being used for lighting).

So, what do you think? Would this be a good idea? Can anyone that is more familiar with the subject extend the argument?
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:47 PM   #542
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E42 Liège - Charleroi

I don't think I have posted these pics yet. They are from 2007, when I took a roadtrip with a fellow roadgeek to the Charleroi area.

The E42 is a vital link, as it connects all of Wallonia's largest cities; Liège, Namur, Charleroi and Mons. However, the E42 is not rehabilitated yet, and often in a bad shape, especially west of Liège. The E25 and E411 are mostly repaved.

I'll skip the Liège part, because it runs concurrent with E40 and E25, and we've seen those pics before.

1. It starts with a rain shower at the E25/E42 interchange.
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2. The E40 exits towards Brussel and Leuven.
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3. After that, an interchange with the A604 spur follows. This one connects the industrial area of Seraing with E42.
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4. Integrated in the interchange is an exit to Liège-Airport, a regional airport.
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5. Note that Luxembourg is already signed from here, while you're only a few kilometers after the E25 interchange to Luxembourg. That might confuse travelers.
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6. Exit Flémalle.
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7. rest area. The E42 is 2x3 for a good portion.
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8. Exit Saint Georges sur Meuse.
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9. The E42 narrows to 4 lanes. It runs parallel to the Meuse river for the most of the route to Namur.
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10. A very 1960's image, concrete pavement, concrete barriers and huge lampposts.
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11. Rest area. It doesn't look to attractive.
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12. Exit Huy.
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13. There are typically no shoulders at exits in Belgium.
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14. Distances + E42 reassurance sign.
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15. Another Huy exit.
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16. Faded sign.
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17. Exit Huy-Héron.
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18. Uhmmm, ja. I would avoid rest areas like these.
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19. Andenne exit ahead.
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20. I wonder if they ever check the condition of these bridges. They often look detoriated...
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21. Entering the Namur province.
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22. Exit Hingeon. Notice there isn't much traffic. It is sometimes loaded with trucks though, but it doesn't seem to be a 24/7 thing.
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23. Exit Fernelmont. Pavement is somewhat better here.
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24. rest area / exit.
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25. an oddity; a green E42 sign.
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26. E411 interchange. Notice Paris is signed here.
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27. Interchange Daussoulx. As far as I know, they don't regularly name interchanges in Wallonia.
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28. Exit towards E411.
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29. This motorway also has a name: "Autoroute de Wallonie".
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30. Exit Namour-Ouest with N4.
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31. James Bond lives there...
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32. The 007 exit.
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33. Time for a break at Aire de Spy.
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34. Exit to Sambreville, also 2x3 lanes again.
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35. Entering the Hainaut province.
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36. The land of Charleroi. Tempting...
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37. The asphalt here is much better though.
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38. Interchange with the R3, the half-beltway of Charleroi.
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39. Distances.
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40. Exit to R3.
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41. Interchange with N5.
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42. Interchange with A54.
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43. Leaving the E42 towards Charleroi...
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 09:16 PM   #543
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Great pictures, thanks!
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 09:18 PM   #544
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You won't see that on pics - is the asphalt/concrete very uneven or just a bit? Or maybe not at all, but only old?
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 09:21 PM   #545
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It varies. Those old concrete parts are a bit bumpy, but not as bad as the Polish A4 or German A11 were. The newer asphalt parts are better, however, both sucks when there is heavy rain. I was driving on E19/E42 near Mons last year, and there was heavy rain, with near-zero visibility due to splash. Quite dangerous.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 10:34 PM   #546
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36. The land of Charleroi. Tempting...
Apparently you like the land of Charleroi (and Liège). Always the same pics from these two worst regions of Belgium...
(ànd if possible when it's raining - makes it look even worse! ole!)
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 10:49 PM   #547
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Post some pics from Flanders then
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Old November 11th, 2009, 06:14 PM   #548
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Vintage pics from Belgium:





Er was een tijd dat er langs de E40 bij brussel nog geen bomen in de berm stonden.












Deze is iets nieuwer, begin jaren 80.
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Old November 11th, 2009, 07:46 PM   #549
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Vintage pics from Belgium:



Beautiful cars, nice roads and sort of...what to call it...hmm.....a western feeling maybe - that is what made me jealous about when lived in People's bloody Republic of Poland

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Old November 11th, 2009, 10:24 PM   #550
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Vintage pics from Belgium:

That direction sign looks ugly. I hate the way those arrows look.

Also, am I right in thinking that they have used the same type of lamp for the past 40+ years, because over here in england we replace (most) of the motorway light fittings after about 10 years or so!
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Old November 11th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #551
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Well, Belgium wasn't exactly known for maintenance until 2005 or so. Recently, more repaving jobs have been executed throughout the country, most notably in Wallonia where E25 and E411 have seen serious repaving during the 2004 - 2007 summers.

I do agree though, that Belgium looks very nostalgic, and frankly, I don't see that much difference between Flanders and Wallonia. If you look at the E42 pictures at this page, you'll see not much has changed from the 60's, even the signs appear to be mostly the same, although there have been a redesign in signage, but mostly not on motorways.
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Old November 11th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #552
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E25 somewhere in the 70's (?)


about 400 meters before that, a recent picture:
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Old November 11th, 2009, 10:54 PM   #553
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Beautiful cars, nice roads and sort of...what to call it...hmm.....a western feeling maybe - that is what made me jealous about when lived in People's bloody Republic of Poland
I wouldn't call those cars beautiful. When I was small, I didn't consider many cars beautiful, not even Western ones.
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Old November 11th, 2009, 11:11 PM   #554
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Maybe someone can remind me a thing related to street lights on the Belgian motorways?
I quite often drive trough A18 going to a French border but to the best of my memory I cannot recall any lit stretch of that motorway. Maybe lights are just some distance beyond Gent, not too far anyway?

Another query

I remember sort of weirdness found nearby Brugge. Some time ago I had chosen E 34 from Antwerpen to Brugge. The road was built to expressway standard, although with level junctions and traffic lights, several kilometers before mentioned Brugge I turned out to a lower standard road to get that city and the weirdness appeared! 3 lane single carriageway road, where the middle lane has been assigned to overtake! Road looked like constructed 50 - 60 years ago and never reconditioned or even maintained properly. Because I like older stuff ( apart of women ) I did like that road as well. But I am wondering whether still has the same shape today as it had 4 years ago.
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Old November 11th, 2009, 11:19 PM   #555
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I quite often drive trough A18 going to a French border but to the best of my memory I cannot recall any lit stretch of that motorway. Maybe lights are just some distance beyond Gent, not too long anyway?
This motorway was constructed fairly recently for Belgium standards. While the E40 Brussels - Oostende has been constructed from the 1940's onward, the E40 Oostende - France was mostly constructed between 1992 and 1997. This one also didn't feature a guardrail or barrier between the directions for a long time. I think this later construction may have caused that part of E40 to have no lighting. All those lights must be fairly expensive to maintain, perhaps even more so close to the coast with salt in the air.

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I remember sort of weirdness found nearby Brugge. Some time ago I had chosen E 34 from Antwerpen to Brugge. The road was built to expressway standard, although with level junctions and traffic lights, several kilometers before mentioned Brugge I turned out to a lower standard road to get that city and the weirdness appeared! 3 lane single carriageway road, where the middle lane has been assigned to overtake!
These are called "suicide lanes". You can pass in both directions, you occasionally see them in France and Belgium, the Netherlands also used to have them in the 1960's.

A similar thing are center turning lanes. They are fairly common in the United States where many multilane roads have driveway acces. The N63 just south of Liège is such an example:
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I wouldn't call those cars beautiful. When I was small, I didn't consider many cars beautiful, not even Western ones.
Should I say about women such a thing? Nah... ( my favourite press is " Oldtimer Markt " an " Classic Cars Weekly " as well as " Automobilista " )
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Ah, nostalgic.

Btw, great photos, Chris!!
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Old November 11th, 2009, 11:33 PM   #558
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These are called "suicide lanes".
Exactly " suicide lane ". We had roads like that till seventies quite popular. The last bit of that was reconstructed at eighties. Still can be found in Moldova as I have seen in Moldovan thread.

I know sorry about that.

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You quoted a bit wrong, my example are not suicide lanes, but center turning lanes.

This is a suicide lane (location: former N20 near Montauban, France)


Belgium:

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This motorway was constructed fairly recently for Belgium standards. While the E40 Brussels - Oostende has been constructed from the 1940's onward, the E40 Oostende - France was mostly constructed between 1992 and 1997. This one also didn't feature a guardrail or barrier between the directions for a long time. I think this later construction may have caused that part of E40 to have no lighting. All those lights must be fairly expensive to maintain, perhaps even more so close to the coast with salt in the air.
Does it sound like N34 had been used as a main corridor to connect with Calais in th past?
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