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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:29 PM   #741
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I only want to know why the heck insn't the construction site lit in any way?
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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:42 PM   #742
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The construction sites are lit, just like the rest of the motorway... Otherwise you wouldn't see much of the work anyway.

But adding stronger and especially white lights instead of the usual yellow lights at that point could indeed help.

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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:45 PM   #743
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Things like that like running across SIX lanes in darkness with only a reflective coat would be completely unacceptable according to Dutch regulation. I think the contractor can expect a very serious fine for such behavior in NL.

But the video also underlines a few important facts, for example the lack of budget for safe work zones, lack of police presence at lane closures, lack of equipment like impact-absorbers and not unimportant, the lack of money for a good renovation. The guy said there is no money for a complete renovation, so they just replace the top 5 cm of pavement every 4 -5 years.

You need equipment like this to work on major roads.


The road in the second half of this video was the Inner Ring Road of Brussels, which has 6 lanes per direction in some spots. You cannot let people making a run for their life to cross these lanes at night with no lighting.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 07:31 PM   #744
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I repeat myself: there was lighting. If there wasn't, you'd hardly see anything on the video.

Also, I'm pretty sure the regulations aren't that much different in Belgium... They're just not always respected the way they should be.

It's not that there's a lack of budget for safe work zones, it's that politicians get too many complaints about traffic jams and therefore prefer risking those people's lives. Just 200 metres from my house a national road has been shut down for about a month for reconstruction. The situation differs a lot from region to region (which I don't approve of though).

The lack of police presence is indeed unacceptable. It's sad that people don't want to adjust their speed without them, but especially during the closure, their presence is the least you can expect.

Impact-absorbers are there and do their job, along with the flashing arrow lights, but you can't simply stop a loaded truck driving at 90 km/h with that. They use the equipment shown above even on very local roads in order to have people notice that they have to change lanes from time to time.

The lack of money I don't really understand myself. I'd assume it's cheaper in the long run to reconstruct the foundation as well, but I guess politicians don't want to risk losing votes because of some extra traffic jams.

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Old November 19th, 2010, 07:45 PM   #745
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Well, in the video I only saw an arrow cart, not a full crash-absorber, which I'd expect on a wide road like that, hence my comment.

Another problem of these quick fixes is that they are more expensive in the long term. If you do a full reconstruction, you can be good for another 15 - 20 years. Now you have to run repairs every 4 - 5 years.

What I don't understand is where all the money goes. Sure, mobility is slightly less taxed in Belgium than the Netherlands, but it would still amount to a huge sum of money. Belgium should allocate more money for road renovations. Many roads are in dire need of them.
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Old November 20th, 2010, 06:00 PM   #746
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The bugdet has been tripled 2 years ago and doubled again this year in Flanders alone. Hence those massive roadworks occuring all over the region.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 09:31 PM   #747
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Pont de Wandre, Liège:


A602/E25 Liège


Liège:


courtesy of eifelmomente.de
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 04:36 PM   #748
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Nice pictures!
Pond warande looks better from a distance than up close,
Also the bridge of the E25 is so short you don't have the feeling you just crossed a bridge...
That's a very dangerous highway btw, the tight curves small, lanes,rapid descents and heavy traffic get me scared everytime...
No to mention that everyone exceeds speed limits even big trucks...
But the scenery makes it worth
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 04:55 PM   #749
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The bridge is called Point du pays de Liège



http://www.greisch.com/projet/2090.jpg
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Old November 24th, 2010, 12:57 PM   #750
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Some pics from A17 and A19 motorways, as well as R8 and E17 around Kortrijk.



































We are turning right to merge with A19.




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Old November 24th, 2010, 01:18 PM   #751
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We are on A19.



























Junction after junction.


We approaching the end of the motorway.










Well, we got N38 which goes 4 lane.




Traffic lights' camera on the right.




Turning to N8...


...which is mostly covered with concrete.


And the link to the gallery:
http://picasaweb.google.com/10948007...17A17A19N38N8#
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Old November 24th, 2010, 04:17 PM   #752
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Thanks a lot for the pictures!!!
Pitty they don't show...
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Old November 24th, 2010, 09:48 PM   #753
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Thank you a lot for those pictures.

What could be highlighted there:
a)the interesting provisional (?) end of the uncompleted motorway A19 by Ieper (that gap between A19 and A18),
b)A19 - same issue as at A18 - there are lampposts just at the junctions,
c)every tunnel in such flat country like Flanders is a rarity...
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Old November 25th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #754
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[QUOTE=Moravian;67730031]Thank you a lot for those pictures.

What could be highlighted there:
a)the interesting provisional (?) end of the uncompleted motorway A19 by Ieper (that gap between A19 and A18),
b)A19 - same issue as at A18 - there are lampposts just at the junctions,
c)every tunnel in such flat country like Flanders is a rarity...[/QUOTE]

Flander is not a country (not yet at least ) and tunnels do exist. Mostly under big rivers or inside cities.
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Old November 25th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #755
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[QUOTE=joshsam;67771975]
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Thank you a lot for those pictures.

What could be highlighted there:
a)the interesting provisional (?) end of the uncompleted motorway A19 by Ieper (that gap between A19 and A18),
b)A19 - same issue as at A18 - there are lampposts just at the junctions,
c)every tunnel in such flat country like Flanders is a rarity...[/QUOTE]

Flander is not a country (not yet at least ) and tunnels do exist. Mostly under big rivers or inside cities.
Right, and I tried to be very careful - flat Flanders (lowlands countryside) in comparison with Ardennen, Hohes Venn etc. (almost the switchbacks a la A4 there)....
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Old November 26th, 2010, 01:43 AM   #756
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Day Trip Report - from Tilburg (Netherlands) to Luxembourg, travelling most through Belgian

I took a day-trip from my home in Tilburg (Netherlands) to Luxembourg. Most of the drive was in Belgium, and I took some pictures.

My outward route was: Tilburg - Turnhout - Geelt, then E313 to Liège, then N63/N4/N89 all the way to Libramont Chevigny, and finally E411/E25 to Luxembourg. On my way back, it was night and I drove just from Luxembourg northern border to Maastricht and got no pictures because it was snowing and nearing the sunset time.

N63 near Nandrin. It is a very odd highway: 2x2, no shoulder, some roundabouts but many middle crossings. In some of them you have to take the left, than a turning lane and wait into the middle. In others, you take a right exit that resembles a U-turn, then you wait perpendicular to BOTH carriageways until it clears, and then you cross. Speeds vary from 80km/h to 100km/h.



To ease the busiest/most dangerous crossings, they narrow the carriageway to one lane, so drivers have more breathing space in the median to maneuver.


Bad pavement. Belgium needs to keep up its standards with its neighbors!


Here, near Terwagne, it is almost a highway


Look down there an open sector without median: vehicles bear right, than cross like they were crossing an avenue. No traffic lights, speed 80km/h (but many drivers go faster as I noticed, with completely disregard for the local 80 kph limit)


Here, instead of crossing, you wait in the median. I saw it getting confused: a car coming from a side road stayed in the middle, then a truck which was in the expressway partially blocked the left lane waiting the median to clear completely so it could turn left!


Light snow could be seen near Bailonville






The landscape near the roar was really beautiful. The Adernèes mountains are amazing! HEre near Champion


N4 doesn't have interchanges, but roundabout. Here, we are approaching the N4/N89 roundabout.


Tight curves and claustrophobic underpasses near Saint Hubert


Now, we are entering E411 in Libramont Chevigny. No traffic lights, you just wait in the median until it clears and go! I had a big Volvo Truck, with better view than mine (the crossing lane comes from a small hill) and the driver was honking at me. But the truck had to wait


Belgian signaling for motorway exist


Remnants of pre-Schengen area: disused border control post in Luxembourg-Belgian border line.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #757
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The speed limit is probably not 80, but 120 km/h. Tractors are allowed on such roads.
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The speed limit is probably not 80, but 120 km/h. Tractors are allowed on such roads.
Allowed or not, they are there:
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Old November 26th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #759
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Old November 26th, 2010, 07:44 PM   #760
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I can see everything.


@ Suburbanist I'd love to see more pics from regular roads, is it possible?
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