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Old January 7th, 2011, 12:12 PM   #781
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Interesting, I've read the Deurganck Dock (opened in 2005) in the port of Antwerp can produce 20 truck departures per minute if it operates at full capacity. In 2009 it was operating at less than 50% capacity, but it will probably increase this year. Which means the amount of truck traffic can significantly increase on E17, E19 and E313.

20 truck departures per minute = 40 movements per minute = 2.400 trucks per hour = 57.600 trucks per day if operating at peak capacity just for this one dock.

There are plans for another large dock (the Saefthinge Dock). Belgium, and especially Flanders need to get its act together and massively invest in roads. Traffic on roads like E17 and E313 is collapsing almost daily, and are not able to handle thousands of additional trucks on a daily basis. You cannot let the Port of Antwerp grow without adjusting the infrastructure to that growth.
I heard about that to... I going to become a disaster. Higways to Antwerp are today already gridlocked with trucks...
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Old January 7th, 2011, 12:17 PM   #782
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An interesting feature in the Antwerpen area is the partially built canal bypass of Antwerpen. The shipping canal (Albert canal) through Antwerpen is congested with regular ship traffic jams, and a new bypass was proposed and partially built, but then axed by environmentalists. Several remnants can be seen.

Further west, A12 features no remnants of this canal, most likely because it was built after the canal was cancelled.
I don't even get why environmentalists even want to protest against that channel. The so claimed 'forest' it runs trough is actually one big suburban villa district of Antwerp where the rich live and also a lot of politicians and famous Belgians. The last one is probably more a reasen... They just didn't want a channel in there backyard...
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Old January 7th, 2011, 05:38 PM   #783
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If I proposed something like that in Antwerpen, probably local NIMBYs would eat me alive
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Old January 8th, 2011, 01:02 AM   #784
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Old January 9th, 2011, 05:55 PM   #785
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Antwerp is an interesting place name, the English version is more like Dutch than French, which is unusual.
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Old January 9th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #786
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I really don't know but it seems to be more...
But like a said I really had trouble counting...I couldn't make up wich was ramp/highway on some parts.



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Old January 9th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #787
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I had trouble counting both
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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:35 PM   #788
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Again on Belgium, there used to be an intensive cooperation between the US and B. An example of this is the remnants of the "Belgian American Chamber of Commerce, Industry and Culture."
Up to the late 70's engineers used to cross the Atlanctic frequently to study the infrastructure in both nations. Americans came to Belgium for the lighting, Belgians went to America for the roadinfrastructure itself (interchanges, pavement,...)
Somewhere in recent years, that cooperation somehow faded away (I think when America decided to go on a more conservative track)
Still, many ellements remain to be found in the Belgian infrastructural landscape (especially when it comes to the quality of the pavement).
Freeways with more than 2 lanes on every side, are still being paved with concrete up to today or atleast have a concrete foundation.

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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:52 PM   #789
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Nice pics, tnx !
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Old January 21st, 2011, 03:54 PM   #790
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Belgium will introduce a truck toll and vignette for passenger cars in 2013, media sources report.

The exact fees are not known at this point yet. It seems to be a way to tax foreigners, Belgians themselves will likely be compensated for the vignette.
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This will only mean that companies and Truck drivers are gonna let Belgium for what it is and chose for The Netherlands instead
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Old January 21st, 2011, 10:42 PM   #792
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It is possible truck traffic on the Dutch A58 will surge, with a shift from E34 to A58-A67, slightly longer from Antwerpen, but possibly cheaper. You can see a large scale shift in truck traffic from Germany to Italy via Austria instead of Switzerland because it's cheaper.

There is not really a good way to avoid Belgium from north to south, unless your destination is in eastern France.
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 03:54 PM   #793
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Many fair they will start using the port of Rotterdam instead of Antwerp wich already has big advantages compairing Antwerp.
That, with fact that the Dutch gouvernment fails to accomplish agrees about the deepening of the Wester-Schelde and doesn't want the Ijzeren-Rijn railway to be reconstructed basically is gonna f**k our economy wich is already bad compaired to The Netherlands.
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 04:18 PM   #794
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With all due respect, but you don't know what you're talking about...
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 04:19 PM   #795
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Ofcourse I don't, I'm listening...
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Old January 30th, 2011, 08:49 AM   #796
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Our economy has been doing quite well, despite the global eonomical crisis.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 10:55 PM   #797
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Indeed.
In fact the Belgian economy is doing better than the Dutch one.. and not only because of the revival of the German economy.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 11:03 PM   #798
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...but the political situation is much more relaxed in NL.

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Old February 1st, 2011, 11:08 PM   #799
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Unemployment in Belgium is twice as high as the Netherlands though. Public debt is also much higher and may become problematic in a few years (99% of GDP).
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If you look at GDP per capita The Netherlands still outperforms Belgium as well. Economic growth says only so much about the situation in a country.

8 Netherlands 40,777
18 Belgium 36,274

The overall GDP in Belgium is also much lower than in The Netherlands, as is the total population.
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