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Old February 26th, 2011, 12:56 AM   #981
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By the way, how do you pronounce "Lille" in The Netherlands? Also, how do people call Dunkirk in The Netherlands?
Lille is just Lille like in French. Dunkerque is a place name Dutch people hardly ever discuss about in conversation.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 02:58 AM   #982
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Not everybody knows the name of cities in the language spoken in each city. Do you know what Θεσσαλονίκη is? Or what about Варна? Where is that? Even in the Latin alphabet, many francophones for example do not know what Köln or Wien is.

In Switzerland there is the urban myth of those French tourists who wanted to visit the beautiful lakeside city of Morat, but could never find it, so they were very disapointed, but instead they discovered the city of Murten, and it was not so bad after all.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 03:30 AM   #983
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Not everybody knows the name of cities in the language spoken in each city. Do you know what Θεσσαλονίκη is? Or what about Варна? Where is that? Even in the Latin alphabet, many francophones for example do not know what Köln or Wien is.
Варна: Varna. Never heard of it but since I see that weird little H there I know that's using Cyrillic text not Roman.

Θεσσαλονίκη: After staring at each letter I can slowly sound it out: Thessaloniki. I've heard of it and know it's in Greece, but not much else.

Heard a lot about a city named Köln in German class and ONLY NOW after googling it have I found that it's Cologne. Hmm.

As for Wien, it took a couple weeks of hearing about it being in Österreich and wondering if Vienna fit in there somewhere before it was mentioned that it was their Haupstadt, at which point I figured out what was going on.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 06:20 AM   #984
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Ok, how about this: All signs, everywhere, use the language(s) spoken in the city they're referring to. Paris is Paris, Aachen is Aachen, Genova is Genova, Bratislava is Bratislava, etc. Problem solved.

Seriously, how insanely difficult does it have to be?
Well, my preference would be for both the name of that city in its language and its name in the language of the place the sign's in. That way, everyone (almost...) is happy. I admit this may be because I'm a language geek....
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Old February 26th, 2011, 12:17 PM   #985
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Not everybody knows the name of cities in the language spoken in each city. Do you know what Θεσσαλονίκη is? Or what about Варна?
What about Солун (if it was signed that way in Bulgaria) or Βάρνα (if it was signed that way in Greece)?

Transliterating is different than translating..!
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Old February 26th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #986
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These pictures where made for a railway extension project near the airport of Brussels but also show the A1/E19 motorway near the airport and the machelen intersection.

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Deze middag ben ik daar even gestopt voor een tourke rond de site met mijn kodak.
De werken schieten daar serieus vooruit!!
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Volgende foto's tonen de situatie van de verkeerswisselaar gezien vanop de nieuwe fietsersbrug

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13 Spoorwegtunnel richting Brucargo en tarmac.
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14 Links zie je de nieuwe opritten voor het verkeer dat via het nieuw viaduct vanuit Brucargo komt en van de Haachtsesteenweg.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 05:56 PM   #987
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These pictures where made for a railway extension project near the airport of Brussels but also show the A1/E19 motorway near the airport and the machelen intersection.
Cool! I already sas some of these photo's on another forum. The project is impressive but on the other hand its kind of a pitty that they're not going to build the mega freeway anymore.


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Ok, how about this: All signs, everywhere, use the language(s) spoken in the city they're referring to. Paris is Paris, Aachen is Aachen, Genova is Genova, Bratislava is Bratislava, etc. Problem solved.

Seriously, how insanely difficult does it have to be?

So you expect them to transliterate places in your Latin alphabet. That goes against your principles in my eyes.

All places outside Belgium are signed both with their exonyme AND their endonyme. The language laws only apply to internal places.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 06:02 PM   #988
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Cool! I already sas some of these photo's on another forum. The project is impressive but on the other hand its kind of a pitty that they're not going to build the mega freeway anymore.
I seems belgium doesn't needs a mega freeway I guess
Instead lots of 2x2 motorways need to be upgraded to 3x3, I would rather see the money used for that instead of a super highway
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Old February 26th, 2011, 06:10 PM   #989
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Mmm 3 X 3 is a bit of an odd configuration. I believe a 2X3 or perhaps a 2X4 will do for now

This for example is a 2x3 :p


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Old February 26th, 2011, 06:22 PM   #990
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six-laning roads like E313 is much more important than a massive 12-lane E19 between Brussels and Antwerpen. Maybe they should just widen E19 to 8 lanes or upgrade parallel A12 to full motorway standards. That way there is sufficient capacity between both metro areas.

Annoying is that the R0 widening doesn't seem to gain any ground.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 06:32 PM   #991
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It did gain alot of ground in the Flemish state of Belgiums. The plans were made made, the environmental effects report was finished years ago and they were already planning to build up the budget. However, the state of Brussels seems to be taking over by some green NIMBY group that is against everything Flanders plans.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 07:14 PM   #992
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Maybe they should just widen E19 to 8 lanes or upgrade parallel A12 to full motorway standards.
You could even do both! Though having both routes as 2x3 would be better than 2x4 A1 and 2x2 A12 for capacity and redundancy.

Upgrading the A12 to full motorway standards (and better yet, reroute E19 onto it, taking long-distance traffic) would help take traffic off the bit of R0 between the two roads, as more would choose to take A12, rather than R0-A1.
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Old March 8th, 2011, 05:55 PM   #994
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WOW! Belgian motorways actually get reconstructed!!
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They do, but not frequently enough. But I believe coming 3-4 years a lot of money is made free for reconstruction of motorways
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Indeed, motorways in Vlaams-Brabant were all reconstructed in the past 5 years. The Flemish government is now planning to spread that succesfull program to the rest of Flanders so that we have a motorway network in excellent condition by 2015.
I have to say that of all AWV-departments, those of Vlaams-Brabant & Limburg have always been more frequent at keeping roads (both freeways & normal roads) in better condition.
Those 2 regions also have the best & most readible traffic signs.
The only bad thing in Limburg is the E314, large parts of it have been reconstructed last year though. Plus they're also building a new interchange.

For those reasons I'm currently placing Vlaams-Brabant on the first place but I'm a bigger fan of the Limburg lower grade network.

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Old March 9th, 2011, 11:34 PM   #997
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oh yeah... GREEEEAAAAAT Flanders....
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Old March 10th, 2011, 12:05 AM   #998
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I just described the current situation and the plans for the next 5 years...

Belgium is a federal state and the states are fully autonomous when it comes to for example public infrastructure. This means that Flanders and Wallonia are two seperate nations when it comes to roads.

This resulted in the following situation as observed objectively by the federal government; the richer Flanders has a road network which is now in better condition than that of Wallonia.

Within Flanders there are differences as well between provinces. That I discribed when I explained the situation in the provinces of Vlaams-Brabant & Limburg. I have never said anything about "greeeeaaaat Flanders".

Act like an adult or stay out of this topic I would say, if you have nothing more to contribute.

The border crossing is visible in these photo's







Or this video (around 2.15)

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Damm that couldn't be more worse than in that vid you posted. I don't think mister labersart2005 has something more to say...
That pavement looks like it has survived a war...
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Queque on the Brussels RO



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