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Old March 10th, 2011, 12:46 AM   #1001
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And for people who are interested in a road trip on the allways crowed E40 Highway:
A trip from Grootbijgaarden (near Brussels) to the city of Nieuwpoort at the Belgian coast.






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Old March 13th, 2011, 08:37 PM   #1002
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I've seen those video's some time ago, it is really an interesting trip but too bad the uploader didn't choose to speed them up
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Old March 13th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #1003
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the richer Flanders has a road network which is now in better condition than that of Wallonia.
I do not know very much about the roads in Wallonia but the roads around Antwerp harbour are in pretty bad condition...
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Old March 13th, 2011, 11:05 PM   #1004
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the richer Flanders has a road network which is now in better condition than that of Wallonia.
...but is still far worse than in all neighbouring countries...
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Old March 14th, 2011, 01:12 AM   #1005
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Not true, not true at all. Have you ever been to Germany? As I said before, in most provinces the roads are now in better condition than those of for example Germany (and definitively in better condition than any American freeway).

Random picture of a Flemish motorway as found on Gmaps...

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Old March 14th, 2011, 02:09 AM   #1006
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Most flemish motorways are generally ok, except from the E34 and the E313 which still have bad parts. But for normal roads, I absolutely don't agree that flemish roads would be in better condition than german ones. I really don't know in what world you're living...
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Old March 14th, 2011, 02:59 AM   #1007
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I haven't driven on E42 Charleroi-Liège, which I heard is in bad shape. I have driven 3 months ago on E42, though, from Herstal to Sankt-Vith. The first sectors are ok, but once the route branches off south, it has some stretches in very bad shape. It is a very beautiful route but it had, back then, some sector in bad need of repaving (and first snow hadn't come by then).

I hope they fix roads all over the country, not only around the major cities. The N63/N4/N89 2x2 expressway, for instance, is in a very bad shape with painting long overdue, some rusty signs and, God forbid, some quite dangerous at-level interchanges that should get viaducts or underpasses. It's not a rural road, but an expressway 2x2 all the way.

Antwerp Ring also have some sectors with crumbling pavement, alternated with others quite new and shinny.
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Old March 14th, 2011, 01:41 PM   #1008
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I went to Namen/Namur last weekend and the E411 and E42 around Namen/Namur both looked like they survived a fallout. I had to drive 90km/h in some sections because I feared loosing control due to ginormous holes in the pavement, equal to the vid posted here above

You won't believe your eyes when you see this.
Here is a section of the E19.
The pavement looks OK untill around 2.35 where you can see a warning for bad pavement.
You can think you are driving somewhere in Russia when you watch this...

The sign says; Over a length of 3km, Bad pavement, speed reduced to 90km/h

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Old March 14th, 2011, 06:13 PM   #1009
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Not true, not true at all. Have you ever been to Germany? As I said before, in most provinces the roads are now in better condition than those of for example Germany (and definitively in better condition than any American freeway).
That's a very broad statement....
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Old March 15th, 2011, 12:41 AM   #1010
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I guess Wimpie has never driven anything outside Belgium, otherwise he wouldn't write such moronic statements.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 01:37 AM   #1011
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I would not say any bad word about Belgian secondary roads. They are in really good good condition and aren't any worse than other European roads. Yes, of course, there are some exceptions, however my overall expression is more than positive. Another thing is how significant progress has been done in recent years
with reference to repaving Belgian motorways.

Let me show you some examples:

E34/A11. This motorway some 5 years ago was just piece of ruin. Very old uneven concrete has been replaced by smooth tarmac.





E17 Gent - Kortrijk.

This motorway wasn't better than E34.


And some national roads.
N38


N8


N34.


N31.


R30.


N9.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 05:53 PM   #1012
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Where's that picture of the N34? (I'm asking because of the streetcar* tracks.)

*American for "tram."
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N34
https://picasaweb.google.com/1094800...07/N34Belgium#
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Old March 15th, 2011, 07:02 PM   #1014
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Old March 15th, 2011, 08:55 PM   #1015
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Where's that picture of the N34? (I'm asking because of the streetcar* tracks.)

*American for "tram."
It's the Belgian coastal tramway. It runs form the city of Knokke all the way to de Panne. It's the best public transportation in the coastal communities and between two towns it makes speeds of up to 80km/h.

It's build for handling all the tourist flocking the Belgian coast in the summer months. Because only 3 or 4 cities on the Belgian coast have a trainstation, the tramway is an important connection between all the coastal towns.

At a lengt of 67km, this is the longest single tramline in the world.

Here ypu can see its route and stops.


http://www.movares.nl/NR/rdonlyres/0...ramMovares.jpg
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Has this tram ever been going to France? Looking at the map and the pictures I would rather say so.





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I spent five minutes Googling "Bray-Dunes" (which is the town on the French side of the border) with "tramway" and found mentions of a (in French) "voie ferrée unique" (single-track railway?) passing through there connecting Dunkerque and De Panne, which has been closed for years; and also of a former freight line.

EDIT: Found something else: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Vlaanderen.png
Looks like the tram line never got west of De Panne.
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The E40 (A18) in that area (Jabbeke - French border) was the last major motorway construction project in Belgium, completed between 1989 and 1997.
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The E40 (A18) in that area (Jabbeke - French border) was the last major motorway construction project in Belgium, completed between 1989 and 1997.
Is that a hint to get back to talking about roads?
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I spent five minutes Googling "Bray-Dunes" (which is the town on the French side of the border) with "tramway" and found mentions of a (in French) "voie ferrée unique" (single-track railway?) passing through there connecting Dunkerque and De Panne, which has been closed for years; and also of a former freight line.

EDIT: Found something else: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Vlaanderen.png
Looks like the tram line never got west of De Panne.

OT:
That map shows the density of local tramways lines that the whole of Flanders used to had. All cities where connected by Tramways. It was a golden age of tramways for Belgium. My town, that now has only 40.000 people, had 6 tram connections with other cities. It is such a shame they are all gone. And now plans are for a new lightrail system, if only they had kept those tramlines 50years ago...
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