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Old April 11th, 2011, 12:31 AM   #1061
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Does that mean that the signs in the Flemish of the ring only in Dutch and the bit in Brussels in both languages?
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Old April 11th, 2011, 12:31 AM   #1062
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Indeed. But it's more complicated than that. There are also municipalities with language facilities where everything is also bilingual signed.
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Old April 11th, 2011, 12:35 AM   #1063
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Indeed. But it's more complicated than that. There are also municipalities with language facilities where everything is also bilingual signed.
No, because the R0 is a regional highway, signage is only in Duth. Facilities are only applied on municipal roads.
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Old April 11th, 2011, 12:41 AM   #1064
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I've found out that Josh is right. The signage of the R0 in the municipalities with language facilities is unilingual Dutch. I didn't knew that.

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Old April 11th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #1065
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Correct. Brussels is a primary example of some of the worst clutter on signs due to the bilinguality, especially along the westside.
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Old April 11th, 2011, 05:29 AM   #1066
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Correct. Brussels is a primary example of some of the worst clutter on signs due to the bilinguality, especially along the westside.
Except we just established that the R0 isn't in Brussels for very long. :-P
(It does though, if you go far enough south, enter Wallonia and thus switch from Dutch to French.)
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Old April 11th, 2011, 06:03 AM   #1067
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No, because the R0 is a regional highway, signage is only in Duth. Facilities are only applied on municipal roads.
Are you sure? The third sign in this set - which is a mess - must be in Mouscron, I think....

http://gallery.autosnelwegen.net/BE-A17.html
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Old April 11th, 2011, 09:29 AM   #1068
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Except we just established that the R0 isn't in Brussels for very long. :-P
(It does though, if you go far enough south, enter Wallonia and thus switch from Dutch to French.)
I didn't want to take it into autistic-level correctness, anyone would identify the R0 as being in the Brussels region, it serves the city directly although being technically just outside the borders of the region itself.

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Old April 11th, 2011, 10:09 AM   #1069
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Are you sure? The third sign in this set - which is a mess - must be in Mouscron, I think....

http://gallery.autosnelwegen.net/BE-A17.html
Yes that's in Wallonia, the Flemish government only applies facilities on municipal roads (concerning signs).
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Old April 11th, 2011, 01:11 PM   #1070
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Yes that's in Wallonia, the Flemish government only applies facilities on municipal roads (concerning signs).
Maybe they changed it in recent years, but I always remembered the signs in Wemmel to be bilingual.
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Old April 11th, 2011, 01:51 PM   #1071
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Maybe they changed it in recent years, but I always remembered the signs in Wemmel to be bilingual.
Yes signs in Wemmel are bilingual but not on the R0. I dunno when it was changed but probably somewhere after the Peeters omzendbrief which changed the interpretation given to facilities.

This is a sign on the R0 on Wemmel territory. It's not very clear but you can see it's only in Dutch :

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I didn't want to take it into autistic-level correctness, anyone would identify the R0 as being in the Brussels region, it serves the city directly although being technically just outside the borders of the region itself.

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What I meant was, since most (by no means all) of the Ring is on Flemish territory (and in areas without "facilities"), I'm not sure how much bilingual signage you'd actually be seeing on it: in most places it should be Dutch-only.
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Yes that's in Wallonia, the Flemish government only applies facilities on municipal roads (concerning signs).
Really? Shouldn't it be the same on both sides? Somewhere on the internet you can see bilingual signs on the very short stretch of the A25/E25 in the Voerstreek....

And if it isn't the same on both sides, I wouldn't alert Le Soir! You'll start the "polémique communautaire" of the week.

(Yes, I realize it's bizarre, perhaps "autistic," that I know this stuff. It fascinates me.)
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Old April 11th, 2011, 05:54 PM   #1074
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Old April 20th, 2011, 12:09 AM   #1075
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Sign question, from Chris's collection:

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What's the thing on the right mean - the diamond with a bar through it? I thought it meant the end of a priority road, but does that make sense on a freeway?
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Old April 20th, 2011, 02:08 AM   #1076
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If I got the location right, further on the road there's an interchange with other freeways. No matter which direction you take on it, you will have to merge with another freeway. So the signs are placed correctly to show that you're no longer on a priority road, but will be merging with another freeway that is a priority road.

Note for others: this is where I think this sign is pointing towards: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=50.670354,5.483079&z=15 (Hognoul is located in the Northwest from that exchange)

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Old April 20th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #1077
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Wow that is a serious renovation! Too bad they don't widen it at the same time too...
Crevits said that space for an aditional lane and hard shoulder will be foreseen in this project as wel as in other major infrastructural projects on the E313

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Yes, they are regional, as is the funding. So there being a new federal government should have no effect on planned investments on highways.
Taxes are federal and are used to finance the regional budjets. A diferent federal policy and political connection between the federal and regional level might have a huge influence on the amount of roads and highways built in the different states of Belgium.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 06:47 PM   #1078
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WTF some Belgians attached a swing set to a bridge across the Antwerpen Ring Road.

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Old April 24th, 2011, 03:28 AM   #1079
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Worst part of it all is that they most likely caused 2 (non-serious) accidents to happen.

They were part of a group of 80 cyclists who wanted to show their concern for the lack of open space in Belgium. Those two felt that it wasn't spectacular enough, so they decided to spice it up a bit. I'd personally at least fine them as "trespassing on motorway as pedestrian" since they're almost at the height of the vehicles can no longer be seen as on the bridge.

Now they're "investigating" whether there's any relation between this action and the accidents. It seems to me that all you can investigate there is: could the drivers see those idiots from where it happened and do they mention them in their story of how the accident took place. Shouldn't be more than 5 minutes work. But I guess that's just me.

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Goedenavond/Bonsoir!

I'm playing with Google maps and just came across a road outside Liège marked "P415" (it's in the middle of this map: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...,0.109692&z=13) And I saw a couple of Ps down in the province of Luxembourg on another playing-with-maps session a few days ago.

Are these provincial roads? I've checked both of these findings against three paper road atlases* and they're not there, and I've never noticed any other "P" roads on paper maps.... Are they actually marked?

*The 2010 Michelin Benelux road atlas, a Geocart Benelux road atlas which has no date but I bought it a year or two ago, and this fabulous publication: http://www.amerigo.nl/belgie/9020948539.html
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