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Old July 13th, 2011, 04:44 PM   #1321
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....About the numbering system, if you go into it more you will see that it is very logic, it came into effect in 1986.....
Bedankt. I understand that, I'm wondering how it stays coordinated today.

See this map:
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Just hypothetically, if Wallonia decided its part of the N784 no longer needed to be numbered, could they downgrade unilaterally it so that it would still be numbered in Flanders and dead-end at the regional border, or do they need to consult with Flanders?

In many cases in the U.S., the state highways (numbered highways that are part of each state's system as opposed to the "US routes" or the Interstates) continue in the next state with the same number, but I've never noticed a case in Europe where that happens (except before Germany was reunified and East and West Germany had road numbers that matched up, even if the border couldn't actually be crossed - I assume they just both maintained pre-war numbering), so it's almost surprising to me that neither side in Belgium has said, let's renumber our roads into our own system.

For that matter, I notice the signage systems are similar too - I mean even the sort of thing that will vary from one country to another in Europe like fonts on directional signage, colors of route markers.... Again, is there some coordination happening or is it just a matter of a pre-regionalization system that has carried over and not been changed?
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Old July 13th, 2011, 04:58 PM   #1322
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Huge accident in the Kennedy Tunnel in Antwerpen (again). Three trucks collided.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #1323
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Bedankt. I understand that, I'm wondering how it stays coordinated today.

See this map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll...,0.132008&z=13

Just hypothetically, if Wallonia decided its part of the N784 no longer needed to be numbered, could they downgrade unilaterally it so that it would still be numbered in Flanders and dead-end at the regional border, or do they need to consult with Flanders?

so it's almost surprising to me that neither side in Belgium has said, let's renumber our roads into our own system.

For that matter, I notice the signage systems are similar too - I mean even the sort of thing that will vary from one country to another in Europe like fonts on directional signage, colors of route markers.... Again, is there some coordination happening or is it just a matter of a pre-regionalization system that has carried over and not been changed?
The numbering system can never be changed, roads can be downgraded but the numbers can never disappear. Only additions in the form of "N19b" can be made.
The same goes for the exitnumbers on highways, "Exit 21bis"

Considering the trafficsign layout, most of it indeed relates back to the unitary period when traffic signs were the same from Knokke to Aarlen in Wallonia.
Today there are differences but cosmetically we still base them on the old Belgian style (especially Flanders).
Beside historical things, the biggest reason for that is the Wegcode (code of the road) in which the look of some of the traffic signs on freeways and national roads has been fixed. The different authority's ofcourse don't use the Code to design traffic signs, they've got their regional Manuals for that but you can understand that these signs atleast have to fall within the lines described in the Code.

The Wegcode has been written in 1978, several years before the eventual federalism.

In the last few years, the Wallonian signs have started to look more French while the Flemish ones stay the same but fall more in line with the Dutch ones when it comes to readibility.

These Flemish signs follow the Wegcode

















White signs on freeways in Flanders are always an "addition", so they have never been designed on a federal level



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Old July 13th, 2011, 07:17 PM   #1324
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Very interesting.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 09:43 PM   #1325
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A few pictures of the E25 highway around Houffalize (Ardennes). Photos made in October 2010.

Ourthe viaduc:




Old sign, with old E-number:


E25, looking south:


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Old July 13th, 2011, 11:54 PM   #1326
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These Flemish signs follow the Wegcode
The signs are really nice and they stand out!
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Old July 16th, 2011, 06:32 PM   #1327
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Cool pictures indeed
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Old July 17th, 2011, 09:59 PM   #1328
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A new video, this time the R25 ringway Aarschot (nearby Leuven), with a new section opened July, 15th 2011:


(audioswap in progres)

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Old July 17th, 2011, 11:30 PM   #1329
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Nice video again!

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Old July 21st, 2011, 11:05 PM   #1330
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A few pictures from a part of the R40, the cityring of Gent:
















E40 Nevele:


A few months ago, I've visited this company in Bornem:










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Old July 22nd, 2011, 06:36 PM   #1331
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Great vid davidoff The pics of ghent are also nice
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Old July 25th, 2011, 01:21 PM   #1332
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@daividof. I noticed two new vids at your youtube page , please post them here?
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Old July 25th, 2011, 09:41 PM   #1333
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Posted by davidof in the driving video's thread:

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Old July 29th, 2011, 12:45 AM   #1334
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Thankyou for posting my videos here, I wasn't sure it was allowed here, because the 2 vids are showing a N-road and not a highway...

And this is how it started, my very first driving-vid on youtube: a short video quickly made "by hand" (no camera-holder) of the Gentbrugge viaduc, E17 nearby Ghent, with the very typical noise, which explains the speed limit of 90 km/h. Video made in november 2009, the other sound you hear is my GPS warning for the speedtraps...
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Old July 29th, 2011, 01:06 PM   #1335
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The thread title must be canged anyway in my eyes from Highways to highways and roads. I think no-one has problems with it

Regarding that viaduct, I 've drivin over it many times, when are they going to replace that horor with a smooth surface without gaps in the tarmac every time a bridge section ends?
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Old July 29th, 2011, 01:50 PM   #1336
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The thread title must be canged anyway in my eyes from Highways to highways and roads. I think no-one has problems with it

Regarding that viaduct, I 've drivin over it many times, when are they going to replace that horor with a smooth surface without gaps in the tarmac every time a bridge section ends?
Every few years I notice a slight beat change when I drive over it. At the moment it's padampadampadam. A few years a ago it was pabampabampamp...
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Old July 30th, 2011, 02:12 AM   #1337
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Well honestly... I like that noise when I drive over that viaduc, it's something special I think... But people who live around that viaduc disagree with me I think .

Also a special road in Belgium is the R9, the small one-direction ring of Charleroi:




















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Old July 30th, 2011, 12:48 PM   #1338
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Some pics from E42 and E421. We start near Liege and end up on Lux border.















As you can see there are no lamp posts on this stretch.
















In this part of Belgium some people don't like French names of towns.




















Sorry for the dark images, but the weather was horrible that day and after some hesitating I had decided to make this report, eventually.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 01:04 PM   #1339
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Weather horrible? Dark and stormy weather has its charms

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Old July 30th, 2011, 01:10 PM   #1340
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Always a pleasure to cross the Luxembourg border. Roads suddenly become good and well maintained
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