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Old September 10th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #1421
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Well, in Spain is even worse: Apart that our regular roads almost always have 3 or 4 digits, we have a nice set of lots of prefixes for our motorways, in order to keep their numbers on 2 digits, since the A followed by 3 or 4 digits are used in some regions as regular roads!
In the Spanish national road numbering (AP, A and N), there is definitely a pattern in which higher numbers are of lower priority.
- 1 to 9: main radiales from Madrid, main coastal routes
- 10 to 99: national motorways of lower importance
- 100 to 699: non-motorways only

When it comes to regional motorways, you indeed see some strange high numbers. Not sure what pushes these regions.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 01:43 PM   #1422
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E403 freeway from Brugge to Kortrijk:


National road N8 from Ieper to Veurne:
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Old September 11th, 2011, 02:23 PM   #1423
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E403 seems pretty busy, was it rush hour?
It also seriously needs repavement, and fast! And It wouldn't hurt to give it an extra lane to near Bruges judging the traffic... Nicely done video's once again!
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Old September 11th, 2011, 02:48 PM   #1424
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The video is taped just before rush-hour, around 3.30, 4pm...
And indeed, it can be quite busy there. The worst part is the end nearby Bruges, the part you see in the beginning. In morning rush-hour, there's always a traffic jam (some kilometres) before the trafficlights of the "Chartreuzeweg". And I agree also with you that some parts have a bad pavement.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 03:47 PM   #1425
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The complication about 3-digit route numbers is that motorists can easily handle one or two during their journey, but not a full flurry of them. Throughout the World, you don't need to. The main chunk of every journey, over a country's main roads, are on routes with numbers below 100.

Well the advantage of E-numbers is that it's a route that runs over multiple freeways which would otherwise have their own number. If I want to to go Amsterdam I only have to remember 1 number.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 04:44 PM   #1426
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Well the advantage of E-numbers is that it's a route that runs over multiple freeways which would otherwise have their own number. If I want to to go Amsterdam I only have to remember 1 number.
Read the damn posts. E19 all the way is not the route to take.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 06:00 PM   #1427
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Now if that was the only international route on which the E-number pointed you in the wrong direction. But it isn't. Apart from that, there is no "multiple freeway" argument to be had for the E313s, the E314s and other one-motorway E-routes that Belgium has. Worse, en route from Brussels to Arlon you would be worse off with E-numbers in comparison with national routes. By the way, if you just want to follow E19 shields on your way from Brussels to Amsterdam, you'd get stuck at Antwerp. Once you make it into the Ring, they just stop signposting E19.

Again, if E-numbering is so great, why doesn't any of Belgium's neighbours with comparable motorway networks use it as the primary form of road numbering?
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Old September 12th, 2011, 03:03 PM   #1428
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We took a decision that our neighbourse didn't have the courage for. That's the best explanation. It's not our problem that the E-routing system isn't well signed in those countries, it's theirs.

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Read the damn posts. E19 all the way is not the route to take.
I took the E19 and arrived on my destination within the foreseen time. It might not be the ultimate route but it is good enough for me.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 06:23 PM   #1429
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We took a decision that our neighbourse didn't have the courage for. That's the best explanation. It's not our problem that the E-routing system isn't well signed in those countries, it's theirs.



I took the E19 and arrived on my destination within the foreseen time. It might not be the ultimate route but it is good enough for me.
As far as I can tell from this distance (most European signage I see is on the Internet) your neighbors do sign the E-route system well. But they sign their domestic systems too. Which makes more sense to me. (Since all maps I've ever seen of Belgium show the A-numbers, and since you'd still need to post, for example, the little bit of the A10 into Ostend that doesn't have an E-number...)
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Old September 12th, 2011, 08:14 PM   #1430
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Wait. First the argument is that the numbers should be smaller and now the argument becomes that there should be several numbers signed at the motorways

I don't know any facts as to how the numbering came to be, but it's working very well for us, so there's no need to change things around. Almost all our motorways completely overlap with the E-routes as far as I'm aware - unlike in most other countries, which makes it completely painless to have our numbering system this way.

EDIT: Wasn't aware of the situation at the E40/A10.

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Old September 12th, 2011, 08:17 PM   #1431
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First the argument is that the numbers should be smaller and now the argument becomes that there should be several numbers signed at the motorways
Different arguments from different people, silly. :-) And mine's less an argument than an observation.

The A10 between Jabbeke and Ostend doesn't have an E-number; neither do the A12 or the A19.... (Really, why do I know these things?!)
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The A10 between Jabbeke and Ostend doesn't have an E-number; neither do the A12 or the A19.... (Really, why do I know these things?!)
The A12 is referred to as A12, just like the A19. As long as a motorway completely overlaps with an E-number or doesn't overlap at all, there's no big issue. So far, the A10 is the only "problematic" one, although I seem to remember that the main road just follows the E-route and signs the exit as A10. I agree, it may be a bit odd to see for foreigners, but I don't think it is a confusing situation.

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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:48 AM   #1433
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The A10 east of Groot-Bijgaarden does not have an E-number either, as E40 is routed over the R0. The A25 South of Cheratte has a similar problem. But then again, those are simply TOTSOs and not something that creates any issues other than that. It just places some (IMO useful) remarks with respect to the supposed advantage that E-numbering saves having to follow multiple route numbers.

With respect to the courage that Wimpie refers to, I would say that it is the other way around. Throughout Western Europe, E-numbering preceded national motorway numbering. The other countries took a decision while Belgium sat on its hands. Indeed, complete lack of courage ...
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Old September 14th, 2011, 12:14 PM   #1434
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Yesterday I've made a trip to the Ardennes, and made a few vids.

1. The national road N4, a typical Belgian expressroad. Before the E411 was completely build this was the main route from Namur to Luxembourg. Now you'll see the section Courrière (junction E411) to Tenneville, I'm planning also the part Tenneville - Bastogne - Arlon to do. For me, this is one of the most beautiful road in Belgium!
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2. E25 Luxembourg to Liège, the section Baraque de Fraiture - Aywaille.



There are also some photos:
E411 Beez (Namur)

E25 Baraque de Fraiture and Aywaille-Remouchamps

Liège: A602 and trainstation Guillemins
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N4 indeed a nice road to drive, a shame about the pavement in some places....
E25 with that part of new pavement looking good!

Great pics to! Guillemins is really nice! You might as wel post them the pics about the highway here in this thread because otherwise people won't bother watching them

E25 bridge in your pics, I think that it's ugly bridge!
That last pic of the E411 are that cobble stones coming through the pavement?
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Old September 14th, 2011, 06:54 PM   #1436
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The N-roads through the Ardennes are in such a bad shape!
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Old September 14th, 2011, 08:07 PM   #1437
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Have you watched that vid of the N8? I feel ashamed that even in Flanders there are roads that look like that.
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Have you watched that vid of the N8? I feel ashamed that even in Flanders there are roads that look like that.
Totally agree.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 05:29 PM   #1439
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Yeah the N8 is indeed a disgrace, and to think we have only a bunch of NIMBY's to blame.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 05:43 PM   #1440
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E34 is a disgrace. And this morning at 7am I drove on the E314 coming out of Germany/Holland on my way to Gent. Wanted to go via Brussels, but matrix signs warned about an accident with queues and gave the travel advice to go via Antwerp instead. So I jumped on the E313 and ended up in traffic jams at Herentals and on the E17 at St Niklaas due to roadworks. I hate driving in Belgium. All you want after a day and night spinning through Italy, Austria, Germany and 30 km of Holland.
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