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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:45 PM   #1601
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By the authorities or by local vandals ?
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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!
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Old December 26th, 2011, 01:13 PM   #1602
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For people who are wondering how big the Belgian freeway lights actually are;



And one of the first traffic jams in the 50's



Same spot today


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Old December 26th, 2011, 03:03 PM   #1603
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Also same lights. No wonder they like to fall onto motorway.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 03:08 PM   #1604
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They don't seem so big vieuwed from inside your car
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Old December 26th, 2011, 06:08 PM   #1605
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Also same lights. No wonder they like to fall onto motorway.
Ow please, at least we have lightning can't say that about Slovenia.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 07:16 PM   #1606
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Ow please, at least we have lightning can't say that about Slovenia.
Belgian motorways strong!
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Old December 26th, 2011, 07:29 PM   #1607
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Belgium has lights and decides not to use them anymore. Problem?

Not all lights of course
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Old December 27th, 2011, 01:34 AM   #1608
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Also same lights. No wonder they like to fall onto motorway.

The model might be the same but they're not the same lights. The ones seen on the picture from the 50's are made of concrete and have a different lighting ellement. The ones which are there today are made of steel and are found everywhere in Belgium. That alone should be impressive enough because there are few country's with a unique lighting design (the US, Belgium,...)

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Belgium has lights and decides not to use them anymore. Problem?

Not all lights of course
I don't know where you heard that but all of our lights are still in use...

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Old December 27th, 2011, 01:44 AM   #1609
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You know exactly what I mean: the lighting on motorways will go off during the night on several locations. I know that the lampposts are still there, but some of them wont be used during the night anymore
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Old December 27th, 2011, 01:54 AM   #1610
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They are still in use but will be turned off when the weather allows it. With other words, they made it more dynamic. In practice that means that 90% will still work during winter.
Like today, driving from Genk to Aarschot on the E314, the only lights that are turned off are on the stretch between the National Park and Heusden-Zolder. That's 15 km's, the other 70 km's of the E314 are still lighted.
Another thing, the initial plan said that the exit lights would also be turned of but they changed that and they're still on.

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Old December 27th, 2011, 10:20 AM   #1611
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They are still in use but will be turned off when the weather allows it. With other words, they made it more dynamic. In practice that means that 90% will still work during winter.
Like today, driving from Genk to Aarschot on the E314, the only lights that are turned off are on the stretch between the National Park and Heusden-Zolder. That's 15 km's, the other 70 km's of the E314 are still lighted.
Another thing, the initial plan said that the exit lights would also be turned of but they changed that and they're still on.
For a "Great Defender of Your Road System and Infrastructure" in Belgium, you haven't given your country much credit by posting these pictures. They contain some of the worst roads and signs and mess, that is hardly known anywhere in Europe.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 11:50 AM   #1612
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Testing of J-22 Eagle of Yugoslav AF - seen on the old "Brotherhood & Unity" motorway:

These lights look very belgian...
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Old December 27th, 2011, 03:39 PM   #1613
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Are there any new type lamps? By EU directive most lampposts need to have light fixtures that throw light 0° above horizontal except in some cases.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 03:48 PM   #1614
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For a "Great Defender of Your Road System and Infrastructure" in Belgium, you haven't given your country much credit by posting these pictures. They contain some of the worst roads and signs and mess, that is hardly known anywhere in Europe.
He showed you rural roads so... Belgium has the best road system in Europe. There are many alternative roads that lead you to your destination.

Hardly known anywhere in Europe? Are you serious? Look to your country, the UK has some shitty roads aswell. Or look to Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia,...
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Old December 27th, 2011, 03:51 PM   #1615
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Are there any new type lamps? By EU directive most lampposts need to have light fixtures that throw light 0° above horizontal except in some cases.
Yes there are. In 2020 all Flemish highways will be renewed including all lampposts.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #1616
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Certainly been discussed here, anyway: why in hell do they need lights on the freeway? Do the EU-Komission Donkeys drive there only by day? Heard something about enviorment?
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Old December 27th, 2011, 05:00 PM   #1617
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It's not like we're the only country in the world that has lights on their highways... And as said before: they're used less often than in the past. Personally, I've always had the feeling that driving on roads with lights was less straining than without lights - but that may just be me. Also, the EU had little to say with those lights.

It's true though that those pictures aren't very flattering for our rural roads. In general, the only issues I have with our road maintenance lately has been posts that have been signs that were hit by cars not getting replaced quickly (even after me reporting them) and that the road management agency apparently still isn't aware that 6 destinations is too much for a driver to take in quickly.

Looking at how dark the stretches of road can be when a light isn't working, I'm pretty certain we already have light fixtures that don't allow light to go upwards in the sky. Doesn't really help a lot where I live though since Brussels Airport's runway lights are (obviously) pointing upwards and lighting the sky.

Also, it's a shame I can still see Road_UK's post through that quote. I had hoped that I wouldn't have to see a post of him after ignoring him.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 05:01 PM   #1618
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A lot of Belgium roads don't have reflecting markings, so if there would be no lights, it would be like blind driving.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 05:08 PM   #1619
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A lot of Belgium roads don't have reflecting markings, so if there would be no lights, it would be like blind driving.
Lampposts are more expensive than reflecting markings. Even your country wants lampposts on the Dutch highways but it's to expensive for Holland.

All our rural roads have lampposts so don't see why we need reflecting marker.
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Oh right, I must admit that I've experienced that as well once while it was raining. It wasn't exactly easy to see the lanes. Luckily there weren't many cars on the road at that time. Reflective paint *is* used, from what I'm told, but from my own experience I can say that it isn't reflective enough to allow for driving without road lights in the rain.
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