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Old December 29th, 2011, 04:58 PM   #1681
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I don't think that is the speed bump but the position of the road before and then during the bump
Yup, you're right. By the way the best example of Belgian road engineering is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCXY5...layer_embedded
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:04 PM   #1682
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Yes, I've seen that before
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:24 PM   #1683
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Hardly known anywhere in Europe? Are you serious? Look to your country, the UK has some shitty roads aswell. Or look to Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia,...
Slovenian motorways are definitely better than Belgian.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:36 PM   #1684
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Slovenian motorways are definitely better than Belgian.
No they are not better than the roads in Flanders + they are payed with our money. Slovenia is nothing compared to Flanders. Without the EU Slovenia is nothing.
http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country...d=SI&year=2010

And as sad before our roads will be repaved in 2015. So we have 3x2 + lightning + many exits + every 40 km a gasstation + smooth roads.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:40 PM   #1685
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Slovenian motorways are definitely better than Belgian.
Because they were mostly build in 2000s.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:41 PM   #1686
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Please don't be insulted by his unjustifiable comparison. We've already had so many endless and almost useless discussions in here. I've never been in Slovenia, but from the looks of it on Google Maps, the highways you guys have seem to be pretty nice indeed
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:43 PM   #1687
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Yup, you're right. By the way the best example of Belgian road engineering is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCXY5...layer_embedded
That's Wallonia. So I prefer to call it Walloon engineering because it's not a federal jurisdiction.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:48 PM   #1688
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I'm not Belgian, but

All this intra-European badmouthing, even intra-a-country-the-size-of-Maryland badmouthing. And people wonder why so many British (and not just British) are not enthusiastic about tighter integration, or at least skeptical that it would work.

On that note...
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:54 PM   #1689
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All this intra-European badmouthing, even intra-a-country-the-size-of-Maryland badmouthing. And people wonder why so many British (and not just British) are not enthusiastic about tighter integration, or at least skeptical that it would work.

On that note...
As you can read in my posts, I am very Eurosceptic. I only want closer ties with countries that are at our level economically . (France, UK, Holland, Italy, Scandinavia and Germany) And have you ever been to Europe? The mentality differences are huge. Even in a country the size of Maryland. Flanders and Wallonia are just 2 different world's let alone Eastern Europa.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 06:17 PM   #1690
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And I though that Italy was a "divided" country because of (only economic) differences between north and south.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 06:20 PM   #1691
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And I though that Italy was a "divided" country because of (only economic) differences between north and south.
We have economic differences + different languages ( Dutch & French) + mental differences + culturale differences ( not so big...)
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Old December 29th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #1692
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We have economic differences + different languages ( Dutch & French) + mental differences + culturale differences ( not so big...)
You're the only country in Europe were speaking a certain language in some public spaces like schools and municipal halls is forbidden by law even if both parts understand it.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #1693
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I came here after italystf mentioned there's stuff here to laugh about. indeed there is! and to add even something more, here is the trailer of the film 'Rien ŗ declarer', good comedy about douanne cancelation between France and Belgique in 90's...



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Because they were mostly build in 2000s.
motorways built in 70s-90s are in the same condition or even better than others. it's all the question of maintenance.

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Old December 29th, 2011, 07:26 PM   #1694
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No they are not better than the roads in Flanders + they are payed with our money. Slovenia is nothing compared to Flanders. Without the EU Slovenia is nothing.
http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country...d=SI&year=2010
Now you're just trolling. Share of EU money is very low compared to all our motorways.

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Because they were mostly build in 2000s.
Slightly less than half were built in 2000s. But even our oldest motorways (from 1972 on) are much better than in Belgium, at least when I was there in 2005. I don't know why some Belgians are so upset when someone says Belgian motorways aren't good. It's a fact, at least for Western standards.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 07:31 PM   #1695
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As you can read in my posts, I am very Eurosceptic. I only want closer ties with countries that are at our level economically . (France, UK, Holland, Italy, Scandinavia and Germany) And have you ever been to Europe? The mentality differences are huge. Even in a country the size of Maryland. Flanders and Wallonia are just 2 different world's let alone Eastern Europa.
That's sort of my point. I have been to Europe. I particularly like Belgium. I appreciate the sort of cultural diversity you have within close reach (even if it seems a lot of Europeans don't) and - while it's none of my business whether you integrate more closely or not - I wouldn't want to see unification proceed to the point where those differences are ironed out. (The "EU uniformity fetish" tag on one of the license-plate threads is mine.) Although sniping at one's neighbors is not perhaps the best way of showing appreciation for diversity. If you don't mind my saying so.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #1696
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Now you're just trolling. Share of EU money is very low compared to all our motorways.
If found you very funny. Where are the facts?

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Old December 29th, 2011, 08:32 PM   #1697
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Belgians get really upset when someone makes comments on their country. This Arab guy above me keeps on making references to the differences between Flanders and Wallonia, which is nothing but Flemish propaganda Wimpie style, but then 10 times worse. In my opinion, Belgium is a Federal State, with EU membership - and is responible for their infrastructure nationwide. How they do it, is their own problem - same as the childish language wars.

A little while back, I was travelling on the E17 from Lille into Belgium, heading towards Gent. The road surface was very smooth indeed, it was rather impressive. And just when I started thinking that I may have been a little premature, I got past Waregem, and gone where my illusions. That bit of road wasn't just bad... It was horrible, even for Belgian standards. E34 Antwerp - Venlo: Type of motorway unknown in Holland and France, and not even in the UK - and they got pretty bad roads. A lot of the National roads: Horrible. Does the N8 Veurne-Ieper ring a bell? These are all in Flanders. Stop blaming the Walloons, you are just as bad as each other.

All Belgians in this thread may now start crying again.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #1698
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Belgians get really upset when someone makes comments on their country. This Arab guy above me keeps on making references to the differences between Flanders and Wallonia, which is nothing but Flemish propaganda Wimpie style, but then 10 times worse.
Are you suggesting there are no differences between Flanders and Wallonia? So we just had 1,5 year political crisis just for fun?

About our roads, I'll say it again: YES OUR ROADS ARE FAR WORSE THAN IN ANY NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY. EVEN IN FLANDERS!

But finally we have politicians who are committed to do something about it in the coming years. Like I said: the budget for road maintenance has been tripled. There are like 150 different road works programmed for 2012 alone. What else can we do TODAY? Tell me.

ps: about the "flemish propaganda" concerning the difference between Flanders and Wallonia, here's a study of a Walloon university: http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuw...3815/1.1185640
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How much do Belgians pay for electricity on average?
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Old December 29th, 2011, 08:54 PM   #1700
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Are you suggesting there are no differences between Flanders and Wallonia? So we just had 1,5 year political crisis just for fun?

About our roads, I'll say it again: YES OUR ROADS ARE FAR WORSE THAN IN ANY NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY. EVEN IN FLANDERS!

But finally we have politicians who are committed to do something about it in the coming years. Like I said: the budget for road maintenance has been tripled. There are like 150 different road works programmed for 2012 alone. What else can we do TODAY? Tell me.

ps: about the "flemish propaganda" concerning the difference between Flanders and Wallonia, here's a study of a Walloon university: http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuw...3815/1.1185640
Do them up. At least you're man enough to admitt it. A lot of your fellow Belgians - especially the Flemish propaganda bloggers - believe that there is nothing wrong. I hope your government will do something about it. But a year ago the bloggers on this thread were saying the same thing, and that was when you had no government.
This is the point I'm making: the state of denial. It could have been done a long long time ago. I can see changes, but not on a big scale. For some strange reason, the E40 between French border and Nieuwpoort has been resurfaced again, after two years. Why? Isn't it more important to focus on the E34?
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