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Old August 21st, 2012, 09:25 AM   #1961
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Does any other country in Europe do that? Is it even legal? Seems to me it amounts to a fee to cross the border (at least by car)....
That's one way of looking at it...
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Old August 21st, 2012, 11:56 AM   #1962
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The Belgian road vignette will be introduced in 2016. Apperently it will be required on all roads, not just motorways.
Interesting.

I can understand that the driving on good roads is payable. But there are no good roads in Belgium, just a country-wide network of bumps and potholes.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 12:00 PM   #1963
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Interesting.

I can understand that the driving on good roads is payable. But there are no good roads in Belgium, just a country-wide network of bumps and potholes.
Oh you really did it now... I have been saying this on this thread since ever I joined this forum, and the stick I got from the Belgians... I think there are even one or two who put me on a ignore list.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 12:04 PM   #1964
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The motorways have improved substantially since 2005. But overall I'd say Belgium still has the lesser road network quality in the region. Hopefully this vignette will raise some more money to pay for decent road expansions. There hasn't been a new motorway in Belgium for 12 years and there haven't been many road widenings either. Belgium is currently one of the most congested areas in Europe, especially Flanders. The Dutch road investments shows it pays off to improve the road network. Belgium now frequently has more congestion on the motorways than in the Netherlands, in accumulated traffic jam length. This is especially bad if you consider the bulk of this congestion is just around two cities: Brussels and Antwerpen.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 12:40 PM   #1965
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But also, when they do resurface a road, it never lasts long before the first potholes start showing. They have resurfaced the E40 from French border to Veurne twice within 2 years. Been told once that is has something to do with lack of glass in concrete due to environmental reasons.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 04:24 PM   #1966
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Oh you really did it now... I have been saying this on this thread since ever I joined this forum, and the stick I got from the Belgians... I think there are even one or two who put me on a ignore list.
It makes a change for them from sniping at each other across the linguistic frontier. ;-)
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Old August 29th, 2012, 04:41 PM   #1967
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Old August 29th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #1968
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That bridge still isn't fixed afther how many years? 10? 15? Disgrace!
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Old August 31st, 2012, 03:30 PM   #1969
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Here a picture I took yesterday driving from Calais back to Austria. This is taken on the E40 before Jabbeke. There are a lot of them like that around efficient Flanders. Can anybody tell me what is the bloody point?



Picture is not very clear, but why are there two of the same roadsigns on each side of the road?
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Old August 31st, 2012, 03:35 PM   #1970
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Actually, I like that: If you're going to put signs on the side of the road, rather than overhead, putting them on both sides makes it possible for people in the left lane passing a lane of trucks to not miss their exits.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 03:39 PM   #1971
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Which is an issue in Belgium considering the huge amount of trucks on many motorways. Especially E313 really needs more overhead signage, because the roadside signage is often obscured by trees and untrimmed weed.
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Yes. They are quite happy letting their roadsigns rot in their bushes and trees. but at least it`s ecological I suppose. Check out my van in the roadside rest area...
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The only thing positive I can find out about the massive amount of trees along our higways is that they a natural noise barrier...But that's it. Otherwise if you cross Belgium by ever leaving the higway one would assume it's all forest....
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On the E40 from border to Jabbeke it looks nice and tidy, that's why I can't understand the double signs. On the E42 Autoroute de Wallonie, especially the part between Mons and Lille border, nearly all signs are hidden, and not before long it will be like driving in the Amazone jungle.
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Tidy or not, it's still an issue if you're in the left lane and the right lane is full of trucks and the only signs are on the far side of said trucks. Unless said trucks are transparent.
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I hope they will put some crash barriers alongside the road, nearby the signs.
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The trucks forming long rows is an argument. Other than that I have no idea but I don't considder it a bad thing.

What about signs only on the left side of the road

It's up to the Walloon government to cut the trees down then if that part is so bad...
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Tidy or not, it's still an issue if you're in the left lane and the right lane is full of trucks and the only signs are on the far side of said trucks. Unless said trucks are transparent.
There are other, cheaper, and more efficient ways...

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Please re-read post #1970. If you're going to put signs on the side of the road, rather than overhead

Why they make that choice, I don't know or care, but if they prefer for whatever reason not to use signs overhead, putting them on both sides is a helpful touch. I've been on enough truck-filled Interstates with right-side signage that that's my immediate reaction to seeing the Belgian double signage.

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Old August 31st, 2012, 09:34 PM   #1980
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There are other, cheaper, and more efficient ways...

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I agree.

But what's even worse is, because of austerity measures, they cut back on lighting these signs, without making them reflective...

Though most of them are still lighted, at different occasions I met an "unlighted version".
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