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Old June 29th, 2007, 08:06 AM   #21
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I thought WTC 5 was going to be a hotel. Besides JPMorganChase already have a world headquarters at 270 Park Avenue.
The old World Trade Center had a hotel and I don't see a hotel in the new World Trade Center. Without a hotel, the new World Trade Centre will suck eggs.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 08:15 AM   #22
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This new skyscraper next to WTC Tower 5 is a hotel, I think:

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Old June 29th, 2007, 08:28 AM   #23
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This new skyscraper next to WTC Tower 5 is a hotel, I think:

This better be a frickin' hotel.

In case it is, it should have more than 900 rooms. If we need to incorporate it into the WTC complex, it should be named Nww World Trade Center Tower 6. (We don't have a WTC 6 in the new complex)
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Old June 29th, 2007, 08:32 AM   #24
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Also, Larry is building a tower with over 60 floors at 99 Church street, which is close to 7WTC. It may have a hotel. I think there will be plenty of hotel space.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 09:16 AM   #25
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What is the name of that building?
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Old June 29th, 2007, 09:27 AM   #26
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But we can't have two 6 WTCs in the same complex!
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:45 AM   #27
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This better be a frickin' hotel.

In case it is, it should have more than 900 rooms. If we need to incorporate it into the WTC complex, it should be named Nww World Trade Center Tower 6. (We don't have a WTC 6 in the new complex)

It's part hotel and part condominium and is located south of the WTC site.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 11:46 AM   #28
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Port architect: Park near JP tower won’t be paradise

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The “so-called park” slated to be built near JPMorgan Chase’s new World Trade Center headquarters will get enough sun but not many visitors, the architect leading the project told Downtown Express this week.


A. Eugene Kohn, a founding partner of Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, said he expects few people to climb up to the one-acre park on Liberty St. because it will be 17 to 20 feet above street level in sections, and it will be over a noisy delivery truck entrance to the W.T.C.


“It’s more of a visual park,” Kohn said in a telephone interview Monday. “It’s not likely to be used much — that’s my guess although I could be wrong.”


Kohn’s architectural firm has produced the preliminary renderings of the $2 billion Chase building, has conducted shadow studies of the park, and has worked extensively with the Port Authority, which owns the W.T.C. site and approved the 92-year lease with Chase last week. Kohn has not been picked yet to design the Chase building, but he is a likely candidate, particularly since Chase referred questions on the building to him.


The 1.3-million-square-foot building will be at the Tower 5 site at the World Trade Center and will replace the former Deutsche Bank building, which was badly damaged on 9/11 and is currently being dismantled. Six or seven trading floors will jut out from the building about 200 feet over the new St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, which will be rebuilt adjacent to the park. Depending on the number of trading floors built, the office tower will be between 670 and 740 feet tall, at least 60 feet shorter than it could have been without the cantilever addition. According to Kohn’s studies, the cantilever will add shadows to the church, but not the park. There will be shadows in the park from the rest of the Chase building as well as other existing and planned buildings.


The park’s shadows will be greatest at 3 p.m. in the summer, and at noon in the fall and spring. Kohn said there would be even more shadows in the colder winter months.


The church will have “a great outdoor room,” which along with the park will get enough sun, Kohn said. “There’s air and light on all sides of the park,” he said. “It gives a very nice sense of space to the church.”


As part of the deal, Chase will donate $10 million to be divided between the memorial across the street and the church.


Father Alex Karloutsos, a spokesperson for the Greek Orthodox Church in New York, said that in general, the church is grateful for all donations, but he had “no reaction” to the multi-million-dollar gift from Chase or to the investment bank’s plans to build over St. Nicholas.




Catherine McVay Hughes, chairperson of Community Board 1’s World Trade Center Redevelopment Committee, said it is important to make sure the park does not get slighted. “Open space is precious Downtown and the little we have, we have to preserve,” she said.


The probability that the Port’s vehicle security center would raise the park over the street level has been known for a few years, but Hughes said she has not heard anything about that for awhile and she hopes to get more details soon.


Kohn said the Liberty St. pedestrian bridge from the World Financial Center is likely to lead into the park. When asked about this, Hughes said it sounded good in theory so long as the bridge does not cut out a big piece of the park.


The park has not been designed yet and construction is not likely to begin before 2011, when the Port hopes to have the vehicle security center and tour bus garage finished under the park.


Even though the trading floors will hover near where trucks will enter the W.T.C., Kohn said the New York Police Dept. thinks the building’s safety has been enhanced by moving the larger floors up. “They like the fact that trading floors are so far up,” he said.


JP Morgan’s lease with the Port is expected to begin by Sept. 1 2008, when the New York-New Jersey agency plans to turn over an empty office tower site to the bank for construction. The date is an acknowledgement of something that officials with other agencies have been unwilling to admit — that the Deutsche project is unlikely to be finished on time at the end of this year. Chase could finish its building by the end of 2012.


The demolition of the contaminated Deutsche building has been delayed many times for a wide range of reasons, most recently because of work safety violations including a large pipe that crashed into the 10/10 firehouse next door, injuring two firefighters. If the pattern of multi-year delays continues at 130 Liberty, Chase has an out — the bank can walk away with $1 million from the Port if it does not get all of the government approvals needed to begin building by Dec. 31, 2010.


Under the deal’s terms, Chase will pay the Port $300 million for control of the site The bank will get about $240 million worth of tax and other benefits from the state and city.


Gov. Eliot Spitzer said all but $20 million in the incentive package were “off the shelf” benefits, available to any firm which signs an early lease at the W.T.C. Many of the subsidies were part of Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver’s “Marshall Plan,” passed in Albany two years ago.


Spitzer, Silver, Mayor Mike Bloomberg, and Port leaders joined Chase C.E.O. Jamie Dimon two weeks ago to announce the deal.


“We’re proud, we’re going back home,” Dimon said, noting that both Chase and a financier named J.P. Morgan began near Wall St. “We feel great about it.”


“We have proven once again that Downtown Manhattan is the epicenter of global capital,” Spitzer said.


The governor even suggested the cantilever would improve the open space, which he described as “an all-weather park. Beneath it there’ll be some opportunity to play chess or play ball in the park when it is pouring in the surrounding area because the cantilever will provide cover.”


When told of that comment, a skeptical Hughes said, “I’d like to have a wind and rain analysis.”

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Old June 29th, 2007, 07:53 PM   #29
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Old June 30th, 2007, 11:16 AM   #30
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It's like a modern day Flat Iron building. Wonderful. I love it.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 01:06 PM   #31
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So they are gonna create a park which will be almost always in the shadow (especially on the important part of the days) and which nobody will use. wonderful.

I'm not a big fan of the building anyhow, only the cantilivered piece looks sorta okey. Maybe it will change if we get better renderings.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 08:17 PM   #32
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great concept, but physically overshadowing a park and a church is a little strange.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 07:02 AM   #33
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Like such towers
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Old July 11th, 2007, 01:30 AM   #34
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...ned_37g-2.html
WTC demo company fined 37G

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Tuesday, July 10th 2007, 4:00 AM

The contractor demolishing a Ground Zero tower where a large pipe fell from the roof has been hit with $37,500 in fines for unsafe work conditions, the Daily News has learned.

The John Galt Corp., a Bronx firm with no prior experience taking down office buildings, was cited last week by the U.S. Occupational Safety & Health Administration for 12 violations at the 130 Liberty St. job site.

The building was ruined during the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, and its removal is key to reconstruction of the site. The state hired Galt to dismantle the 40-story tower floor by floor.

The job is a year behind schedule and $15.7 million over budget. In May, work was temporarily halted when a 15-foot pipe fell from the 35th floor and pierced the roof of a nearby firehouse.

OSHA began investigating the pipe incident but expanded its probe after the building's neighbors and The News raised questions about other incidents at the site.

Last week, the agency revealed that its investigators found more problems.

After a May 10 inspection, OSHA alleged that scaffolding collapsed and injured two workers on the 25th floor when it was improperly moved.

OSHA also charged that on June 6 - three weeks after the pipe incident - investigators discovered employees working next to unprotected edges on the 36th and 37th floors.

The new citations follow OSHA's decision last January to fine Galt $1,600 for similar unsafe conditions. This second round led to much higher fines totaling $37,500.

Galt executives did not return a call seeking comment.

Joel Shufro, executive director of the nonprofit job safety group, the N.Y. Committee for Occupational Safety & Health, said the nature of the violations worries him.

"These are serious hazards," he said. "This is a prominent project, which is being watched closely. That there are such basic problems indicates that this is a job that's not being monitored closely enough and not being run in a proper manner."

The News also learned that on July 3, the city issued a partial stop-work order after more allegations of unsafe demolition surfaced. Work resumed July 6, documents state.

On June 14 - a month after the pipe fell - a resident alleged more debris dropped off the building. The city inspector showed up a day later and found no evidence to corroborate the claim, but neighborhood residents have repeatedly complained about falling objects at the site.

Errol Cockfield, a spokesman for the agency that owns the building, the Empire State Development Corp., said, "We've insisted throughout the deconstruction that the contractors comply with all safety regulations."
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why cant they just demolish the building with explosives and stuff?
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why cant they just demolish the building with explosives and stuff?
That would damage the structures of the buildings around Deustche Bank,I suppose.
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Old July 12th, 2007, 02:51 AM   #37
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I thought it had more to do with the toxic amounts of mildew, asbestos, and the like?
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http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_218/paradisisnot.html
Volume 20 Issue 9 | July 13 - 19, 2007

Paradise is not lost, W.T.C. architect tells C.B. 1

By Skye H. McFarlane


Architect A. Eugene Kohn’s rendering of the JPMorgan Chase tower planned near a park at the World Trade Center site.

Liberty Park will be a paradise after all, architect A. Eugene Kohn has decided.

Kohn’s optimism — and some reassuring shadow studies — have assuaged some of the community’s fears about a proposed cantilever that would jut out over the park from World Trade Center Tower 5. However, on Monday night, community members and another area developer continued to express worries about pedestrian access and retail along the dense strip of Cedar St. that will house Tower 5, Liberty Park, a vehicle screening and parking facility, and a new home for the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church.

“It has attracted a lot of interesting and rather explicit names,” Kohn joked while describing his design for Tower 5 to Community Board 1’s World Trade Center Committee. JPMorgan Chase made a deal with the Port Authority last month to lease the building for 92 years, but the deal was contingent upon Chase being able to build floors large enough for trading operations — a function that Kohn called “part of the D.N.A. of banking.”

Kohn’s firm, Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, was hired by the Port to produce a preliminary design for what a slender tower with large trading floors would look like. The resulting seven-floor cantilever led to community worries that the park and the church, which will sit just north of the Chase tower, would be plunged into permanent shadow. The building has been called the “Tower of Darkness” by the real estate blog Curbed.com. Other online pundits have used less-printable monikers, comparing the cantilever to a certain part of the male anatomy. Kohn said Monday he hopes that the community will grow to appreciate the unique design and see it, as he does, as “handsome.”

Shadow studies done by Kohn’s firm show that while the park will be in shadow much of the day, the shadows come mostly from other buildings in the area. Because the cantilevered tower will be shorter than the straight tower originally planned for the site, the cantilever would actually reduce the shadows cast on the World Trade Center memorial at certain times of the day and year.

While addressing the shadow question in an interview with the Downtown Express two weeks ago, Kohn said he doubted whether anyone would use Liberty Park anyways, since it will be situated 20 feet above street level, atop the entrance to the vehicle screening center. After those comments stirred some anger in the community, Kohn said he took some time to reassess the park and its possibilities. He even created a design mock-up for the park and the church, which he showed to the community Monday night.

“The more we looked at this, the more excited we got about the design,” Kohn said, pointing out how the park could take advantage of its great views of the memorial and its direct connection to the Liberty St. pedestrian bridge and the World Financial Center. For the church, Kohn imagined sweeping staircases leading down to street level and inviting pedestrians in, like the Spanish Steps or the grand duomos of Italy. In Kohn’s design, the church and the pedestrian corridor would stay bright and cheery thanks to lights shining down from the underside of the cantilever.

“I probably spoke too soon in the paper and I was probably misquoted somewhat,” Kohn said, stressing that he never used the word “paradise.” Downtown Express used the word in the headline, but did not report that Kohn or anyone else said it. “In any case, I take it all back. The park will be a paradise.”

However, Port Authority representatives at the meeting stressed that Kohn’s designs are only proposals. The Greek church has yet to produce any design plans and Chase has yet to hire a final architect for Tower 5, although Kohn is widely thought to be a front-runner. The Port Authority will design Liberty Park and the surrounding streetscapes sometime in the future. None of the new Cedar St. amenities can be built until the former Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty St. is dismantled — a process that has been fraught with delays and safety problems.

Andy Jurinko, a long-time resident of 125 Cedar St., applauded Kohn for designing a Tower 5 building that would be markedly less bulky and ugly than the Deutsche Bank tower that it will replace. Residents were also pleased to hear that Chase may seek a platinum rating from the U.S. Green Buildings Council.

“I think the design looks kind of fun…it will give you a sense of security and shelter,” said Jurinko, who makes his living as an artist. Jurinko said he would love to view the new World Trade Center site from atop the cantilever, where Kohn has designed a landscaped plaza. He said that Chase could even charge a fee for such an experience, like the viewing areas at the Empire State Building and Rockefeller Plaza do.

Kohn was also enthusiastic about opening the plaza over the trading floors to the public, but he acknowledged it will be a decision for Chase to make.

Some community members remained unconvinced, fearing that even if the cantilever did not cast extra shadows on the park, it would stick out like a sore thumb amongst the more streamlined World Trade towers.

“It still doesn’t work for me,” said board member Allan Tannenbaum, shaking his head as he glanced at the rendering.

Board members also expressed concerns that the Chase tower would house just a single retail space — a Chase bank branch.

“I think it’s a great achievement for the economy that you’ve gotten Chase down here,” said board member Tom Goodkind. “On the other hand, you’re sitting here in front of a group of residents who need public amenities like retail stores and grocery stores and public parks.”

Marc Ameruso said that the board needed to bring Chase and the Greek church to a board meeting to discuss their more specific plans, since items like lighting under the cantilever and stairs along the church site would be crucial to the pedestrian experience.

“Street life is important. We don’t want to go back to something that didn’t work before,” Ameruso said, referring to the sometimes-labyrinthine nature of the old W.T.C. complex.

The developers of 130 Cedar St., which sits due south of the future Liberty Park site, echoed the residents’ worries about pedestrian flow and street life on Cedar St. After it is decontaminated and stripped of its façade, which was heavily damaged on 9/11, 130 Cedar St. will be rebuilt as a Club Quarters hotel with three public retail spaces.

Chris Colbourne, the project’s spokesperson, said that he thinks two of the retail spaces will be restaurants. He said that he would seriously consider the community’s request that the final retail space contain some sort of local amenity, such as a supermarket. Colbourne added that he hopes the Port Authority will take care to make Cedar St. appealing and accessible to pedestrians at street level, not just atop Liberty Park. He showed board members a sketch of what the street might look like if the park dropped straight off into a wall to the vehicle security center, without any steps, ramps or street plantings.

“We hope it doesn’t look like that,” Colbourne said, drawing appreciative laughter from the crowd. “We really want to make this a vibrant pedestrian corridor and we have a major concern about this vehicle entrance.”

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Old July 25th, 2007, 09:30 PM   #39
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I'd like to see a bigger version of that. Found it on lowermanhattan.info
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I also would like to see a bigger version of that!I tried to look for it,and found some other renders and studies.





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