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Old August 14th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #2161
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PS Iranians are civilized people, though.
lol, what did you expect? Cavemen?
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Old August 14th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #2162
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Kinda OT, but I was picked up by one [Iranian truck] in Poland when hitchhiking to Berlin in 1996. Very interesting trip... These guys were listening to something that seemed to be a funeral recording. Happy thing to listen to in your track, a mourning session in the morning

PS Iranians are civilized people, though.
I'm guessing this Iranian was listening to Quranic verses. They're almost always read in the same fashion, even the joyful ones. This often sounds quite gloomy to the untrained ear.
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Old August 14th, 2009, 03:51 PM   #2163
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Old August 14th, 2009, 05:42 PM   #2164
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Old August 14th, 2009, 05:43 PM   #2165
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Nice. I guess it's gonna take a few years before all of the A8 is brought to 6 lanes.
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Old August 15th, 2009, 08:08 PM   #2166
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Old August 16th, 2009, 10:54 PM   #2167
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some more (interactive!) visualizations of Hochmoselübergang online

http://www.hochmoseluebergang.rlp.de...lisierung.html

here you can exactly see how this overdimensioned project is destroying the scenery of the Mosel Valley...

today it's known that this street will never have traffic volumes like such roads should have...
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Old August 17th, 2009, 12:01 AM   #2168
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What ADT is expected? If it's more than 20000 than its enough. I have the impression that you're only posting here to write down your anti-opinion. Unless you can bring evidence for too low traffic volumes my opinion will be pro Hochmoselübergang. But the architecture could indeed be better, especially in such a sensible environment.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #2169
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A more bridge-like structure would look better,like at Millau. Or one with arches. Especially if it would reduce the number of pillars.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 10:45 AM   #2170
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Indeed, this looks more like a pale viaduct. This view only makes the view of the valley worse. A more bridge like structure would have been better.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 02:34 PM   #2171
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some more (interactive!) visualizations of Hochmoselübergang online

http://www.hochmoseluebergang.rlp.de...lisierung.html
Nice!

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here you can exactly see how this overdimensioned project is destroying the scenery of the Mosel Valley...
Sorry, i can't find a overdimensioned project on that page...

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Or one with arches.

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Not realy better...

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A more bridge like structure would have been better.
Ho can a bridge be a more bridge like structure?
Should it look like this:



In fact this is a typical design for bridges of this size:

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Old August 17th, 2009, 02:43 PM   #2172
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Cable-stayed, for example, like the Millau bridge in France.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #2173
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A design like the Viaduc de Millau would indeed be the only option which could look better. The general structure (how do you say "Balkenbrücke" in English?) is ok as its the most decent it could get.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 03:02 PM   #2174
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"Balkenbrücke"
You mean a beam bridge?
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Old August 17th, 2009, 04:46 PM   #2175
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I'm not totally against a street project for a better connection between Eifel and Hunsrück.
The connection at the moment is a normal Bundesstraße that has a lot of serpentines down the valley and goes through some villages and towns (Bernkastel-Kues) in the valley. This road has a normal traffic volume for a Bundesstraße, just like 2002 finished A60 Bitburg-Wittlich (about 6000 ADT). That these traffic volumes at the new connection will increase to 20000 or something like that is somehow a bit naiv, isn't it? Think about increasing energy costs and fuel prices. The plans of this project are from the 70's and very old-fashioned in my opinion.

There are alternatives like a road from AK Wittlich along Lieser Valley (there once was a railway => almost no slope) and south of Bernkastel would be a valley with a slope that isn't soo big - a road where it's not necessary to drive more than 130 all the time would be possible and still a faster and better connection between Eifel and Hunsrück.

The worst thing about this project is that it is so politically wanted... as a fast road connection between north sea ports of Belgium and Netherlands and the Rhein-Main-Area. Some facts about that:
Any other route to take like along Cologne would be shorter and faster!
Would be faster because these routes are full motorways! For exampe A60 Winterspelt-Prüm is still 1+1 (some stretches 1+2) and will probably never be upgraded due to low traffic volumes about 4000 ADT!

Unfortunately I don't have numbers about future traffic volumes on that B50n-stretch but I know my home region and what's up here. No one here wants this project - only the politicians...
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Old August 17th, 2009, 05:59 PM   #2176
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The optical impact of a Milau-style-bridge would be much higher with the pylons and all the cables.
Look how dominant this bridge is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vi...e_Millau_1.jpg
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Old August 20th, 2009, 01:36 PM   #2177
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A8 Salzburg - München:

AS Anger. There wasn't even signage to indicate this horrible exit!
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Old August 20th, 2009, 01:53 PM   #2178
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does somebody know if missing sections of A14 Magdeburg-Schwerin will ever be built, and when?
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Old August 20th, 2009, 03:15 PM   #2179
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Reichsautobahn A9 Triptis - Schleiz

This video follows the A9 south, which still resembles the 1930's Reichsautobahn, with bad concrete, no shoulders and a narrow alignment. This is the last section to be widened to 2x3 lanes.

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Old August 20th, 2009, 05:31 PM   #2180
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A lot of shaking! Is this pavement really from 1936?
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