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Old January 15th, 2010, 05:12 PM   #2421
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Man, i'd wish that Pkwys even existed in Denmark. Routes where trucks aren't allowed is an extreme rarity
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Old January 16th, 2010, 02:29 PM   #2422
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Here is a video of the recently opened new constructed part of A4 around Eisenach (Hörselberge).

Credits to the uploader on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIP5L41xb80

And Germany again lost about 10km of mostly original Autobahns from the 1930s. (Ok, that part was really critical i know, but it was just beautiful too with a great view on the Wartburg)

Btw, this new part of A4 is a PPP Project, i cant get the website right now, but who is interested may klick here: www.via-solutions.de
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Old January 16th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #2423
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I know that piece of A4 quite well ( older one ). What number will it get, then?
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Old January 16th, 2010, 07:46 PM   #2424
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I know that piece of A4 quite well ( older one ). What number will it get, then?
My belief is that the former grade was completely abandoned. A little scrap here or there might have been downgraded to a local road, but I would consider that unlikely.

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Old January 16th, 2010, 08:24 PM   #2425
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Does anybody have a map of the current situation?
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Old January 16th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #2426
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Old situation:
[IMG]http://i45.************/mk86ye.png[/IMG]

New situation:
[IMG]http://i50.************/96dbub.png[/IMG]
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Old January 16th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #2427
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Ok, thanks
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Old January 16th, 2010, 09:50 PM   #2428
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My belief is that the former grade was completely abandoned. A little scrap here or there might have been downgraded to a local road, but I would consider that unlikely.
This picture from the project website shows what will happen. "Abgestufte BAB4" is the part of the A4 that will be downgraded. The purple colour shows that the town of Eisenach will retain something of a Northern bypass. The dotted line, "zurückzubauende BAB4" is the part of the A4 that will be abandoned. That is indeed the passage of the Hörselberge.

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Old January 16th, 2010, 10:17 PM   #2429
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Thanks. Mgk 920 was right saying that some parts are to be abandoned.

Do you know how it works, this sort of Autobahn's retirement. Are they just remained to get some grass and bushes on them, or they are demolished in certain way?

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Old January 16th, 2010, 10:23 PM   #2430
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Demolished:




this actually happened with A44 near Mönchengladbach, and will happen with A61 in the future as well. Also, the A4 between Aachen and Köln will be demolished for mining.
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Old January 16th, 2010, 10:56 PM   #2431
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Bloody barbarians what about denkmaler und geschichte policy over there in Germany!?
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Old January 16th, 2010, 10:58 PM   #2432
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this actually happened with A44 near Mönchengladbach, and will happen with A61 in the future as well. Also, the A4 between Aachen and Köln will be demolished for mining.
Can we expect these highways to be restored once mining is complete?

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Old January 16th, 2010, 11:04 PM   #2433
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Yes. To handle A44 traffic, A61 is streamlined at the interchanges, and widened. Once A61 will be demolished, A44 will be rebuild and handle the north-south traffic.

It's actually amazing if you consider the costs involved in such a project.
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Old January 16th, 2010, 11:41 PM   #2434
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The hole they dig is a few hundred meters deep. Are they going to fill it up again to rebuild the A44 or will they fill it up with water and build a bridge across it for the motorway?
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Old January 17th, 2010, 12:01 AM   #2435
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I guess your first option is pretty much impossible. Usually, old mines in Germany are transformed to recreational areas with lakes and stuff.
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Old January 17th, 2010, 12:26 AM   #2436
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I understand, but I just wonder how they want to rebuild the A44. It would be a very deep tunnel
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A1 Bremen - Hamburg in 1988!

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Old January 17th, 2010, 12:51 AM   #2438
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that's how it looks like when they demolish a highway (A44 in 2006)


from: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesautobahn_44
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Old January 17th, 2010, 01:47 PM   #2439
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A1 Bremen - Hamburg in 1988!
omg, this is valuable video! that's so great to see such good videos from old times. i have some shorter videos at VHS when my parents went abroad in 1980es, i should try to convert them somehow into .mpg (for sure i know there are some frmo France, Spain and Andorra). and i have some from Germany from A7 near Kassel
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I understand, but I just wonder how they want to rebuild the A44. It would be a very deep tunnel
One of the things, the German tax payer doesn't have to bother as the mining company (RWE) pays both demolishion and rebuilding.
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