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Old February 13th, 2010, 08:43 PM   #2561
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That one would require a 4 km tunnel. It's not unthinkable that that tunnel will get built once other projects in this region are completed. But not in the next 10 - 15 years.

The A5-A661 interchange is too far north to let these Autobahnen function as a beltway.

However, one cannot oversee the amount of existing motorways in the Rhein-Main area is already pretty good, especially when you include the expressways built to motorway standards.
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Old February 13th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #2562
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Check it out:
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Old February 13th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #2563
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Woo-hoo! Do you have more information about these projects?
there are three options for the widening of the A5 (one includes a division of the A5 into local and express lanes, another a crazy proposal of building a separate local expressway along the A5). I check if I can find the renderings that were published a while ago.

the entire A3 between wiesbaden and hanau will get a 2x4 lane upgrade (parts of the A3 are already 2x4 or 2x5 though).


the construction of the A66 between the A661 in the east and the A66 ending at the miquellallee in the west is not doable at the moment. there is a chance of a slim version with an A66 connector between the A661 and the central cemetery, but without the tunnel that would connect the western end of the A66 and the eastern end of the A66.

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Old February 13th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #2564
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there is a funny animation of the A661 and A66 projects in frankfurt (from the highway opponents):



explanation of the project (in german) - the widening of the A661 and the eastern part of the A66 is under construction. the western part of the A66 is proposed:

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Old February 13th, 2010, 09:10 PM   #2565
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Weird that it has never been constructed with a record of decision taken in 1980...
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Old February 13th, 2010, 09:14 PM   #2566
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the plans go even further back than this. due to protests, complicated laws and rising costs it is not unusual to wait 40 years or more for a project to get built in germany. unfortunately.

as I said, the western phase of the extension is not very likely at the moment.
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Old February 13th, 2010, 09:34 PM   #2567
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I found the info on the A5 extension between nordwest kreuz (FN) and frankfurter kreuz (FK).

that's the situation today:


version 1:


version 2:


version 3:


source: autobahn-online
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Old February 14th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #2568
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where did you get those A5-renderings from HD? Are they from the generalverkehrsplanung? The last alternative with the parallel freeway seems ridiculous. What have they drunk when they figured out someting like that? ;-)
Is there any specification when consturction should start? Frankly, I really doubt if the will ever realize that. Only if the Europaviertel is really booming such a solution should become considerable. But even then, less costly alternatives should be more reasonable.
Concerning the current situation, no fundamental upgrades are needed in my opinion. Ok, during rush hour its really packed, but still bearable. Only thing they should improve is the exit Niederrad coming from the south. The backup is too long and shouldn't be necessary if they would just enlarge the exit a little bit (two exit lanes towards the Bürostadt at the singalized crossing). Shouldn't be too difficult
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Old February 14th, 2010, 06:20 PM   #2569
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A44 Dortmund - Kassel is closed between Erwitte/Anröchte and Diemelstadt due to black ice. This section is 52 kilometers long.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 06:39 PM   #2570
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Concerning the current situation, no fundamental upgrades are needed in my opinion. Ok, during rush hour its really packed, but still bearable. Only thing they should improve is the exit Niederrad coming from the south. The backup is too long and shouldn't be necessary if they would just enlarge the exit a little bit (two exit lanes towards the Bürostadt at the singalized crossing). Shouldn't be too difficult
Well, I think, Niederrad should also be acessible by coming from the north.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 11:35 PM   #2571
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How many kilometers of motorway are under construction in Germany today?
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Old February 15th, 2010, 12:51 AM   #2572
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How many kilometers of motorway are under construction in Germany today?
ca. 160km
-> http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum/read.php?2,132605

The big projects of A20, A38, A71, A73 are finished now and the future big projects A14, A20 rest, A22 (will renamed to A20 in Summer), A39, will start not untill a few years.

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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:42 AM   #2573
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A 44 between Dortmund and Kassel was closed on some 50km due to ice.
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A22 (will renamed to A20 in Summer)
Really? That's interesting... A20 will maybe become the longest 2-digit Autobahn?
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:30 AM   #2575
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Really? That's interesting... A20 will maybe become the longest 2-digit Autobahn?
It is already:
http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum...521#msg-132521 / http://autobahn.wikia.com/wiki/L%C3%...ch_L%C3%A4nge)

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Old February 15th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #2576
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ca. 160km
-> http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum/read.php?2,132605

The big projects of A20, A38, A71, A73 are finished now and the future big projects A14, A20 rest, A22 (will renamed to A20 in Summer), A38, will start not untill a few years.
I thought that the A38 was complete, what section is yet to start?

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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:08 PM   #2577
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Sorry, I meant A39.
Thanx! I assume that it will be extended northward from Wolfsburg. Where will it be extended, too?

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Old February 15th, 2010, 09:57 PM   #2578
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I thought that the A38 was complete, what section is yet to start?

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Sorry, I meant A39.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 10:00 PM   #2579
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Nice, I thought A61 was still a little longer...

One project that's going too slow for my taste is the A33 between Osnabrück and Bielefeld. It currently runs to Borgholzhausen, where it ends on regional roads. An extension inside Bielefeld is currently under construction, but it will be another six years before the A33 is finally completed.
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Old February 17th, 2010, 02:26 PM   #2580
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time for some photos by me again, after some months I finally was able to take my parent's car to Frankfurt again (I can't see the slow train there anymore ) and this afternoon, some pictures from my way back home.


The serie will consist of several parts.

I'll begin with a few kilometers in Frankfurt-Bockenheim and Frankfurt-Hausen, continue on the A66, A5 and A45, and the rest will be some roads on the countryside (B255, B414, B413, L305).
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